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What's the best way for someone from one of the groups that Republicans hate to move to a Western European or Nordic nation where they are less likely to be marginalized or threatened? I'm sure there will be plenty of time to analyze exactly what happened, but right now my only concern is getting out.

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Shower thought: People vote for Trump because he is actually predictable. You never have to guess whose interests he is protecting. It's always his own. You never have to guess whether he is lying. He sure as hell is but there is also no hidden agenda. It's unfiltered mental diarrhea but it's raw and authentic. I think a lot of the unease and disdain for the Western political class stems from their attempts to be ino…

He is not predictable, mere selfish interests doesn't make him so, he doesn't have an ideology and therefore very flexible on what he will do, is easily manipulated by anyone and also there are many more dangerous people who will run his administration(RFK is in-charge of health!) while he spends his days on the golf course.

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As an example of how pushing a message too hard can have the opposite effect: In "The Last of Us" (the series, I haven't played the game) the bad people are white (and are especially bad if they are also Christian), while the good people are generally some combination of black, homosexual, and "neurodivergent". Three of the four groups we meet are led by women. The two good ones are led by black women. The only group doing well is a communist commune. When I feel like I am being manipulated I not only discard the message, but actively rebel against it.

Donald Trump disgusts me, but it feels to me like he at least authentically represents a viewpoint.

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You just gotta laugh at this point. It wasn't even that close so people have spoken. What hopefully we all have learnt from this is that average American is mostly concerned with themselves and how their lives can get better. For others, boo-hoo. Especially with this economy.

And I wish the politics would move towards less vitriol. It's just sad how both parties are so dug in with their opinions. I'm sure there could have been reasonable discussions with regards to eg economy and immigration where the concerns of the large portion of the population had been seriously addressed.

Being practical isn't a fault, in fact one of the things I think Mr Trump got elected. We'll see does it translate to reality but he definitely has ideas.

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the biggest problem is the climate. with trump winning, most/all of the climate policies will be revered irreparably damaging our planet bringing us to the brink of extinction. ofc it won't be all trump fault, current trends are gloomy enough yet those are the very last few years to actually do something..

I also expect Trump to roll back many of those policies and create new, worse ones like opening up more federal land for drilling and mining.

That said, you must have a lot more faith in the current policies than I do. The sole focus on limiting carbon in the atmosphere has been woefully misguided in my opinion. We need to focus on reducing our total impact on the planet, not just trying to mitigate it a bit while we continue to consume more resources and use use more energy every year.

If human impact on the planet is going to kill us all with Trump in office, it was going to happen either way.

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How did polls go so wrong? “gold standard” Ann Selzer predicted +3 Harris in Iowa and it became +14 Trump. That’s an incredible miss from a pollster.

That’s one poll and there are always outliers, but the averages were pretty accurate - roughly a tossup based on turnout, with error rates around the 2-3% we saw. As with 2016, those correlated in the same direction so the polling industry still hasn’t figured out how to weight Trump’s impact on turnout.

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Something I've been wondering lately is how big of a blind spot I have from being habitually online. Like, I'll read the news, and I'll read political discussions on HN and r/politics and r/conservative and Twitter, and I'll try to get a sense of what everyone is thinking, but unfortunately I don't think that's possible. The posters on these sites all have one thing in common: they're into politics and current events…

Not an American, not a Trump fan - he grosses me out a bit.

But I've come to the realization that both sides have an ugly component that is winning out on online forums. It's the classic tale of the vocal minority controlling the narrative.

So to answer your question, being habitually online, and using that as a basis for your opinions on the world will very much make you vulnerable to a serious blind spot.

The amount of shit-flinging on Reddit, from both sides, is shocking to me as a non-American. That people can espouse so much hate towards their literal neighbours is unreal to me. This country is so divided that I'm not sure how things will be fixed soon. Online has become such a cesspool that it's not possible to sit around the same fire any more.

I like to think that the majority of people are waaaay more moderate than what you might think from looking at social media. And I would encourage anyone to try and interact with more people in meatspace. Don't try and convince anyone of anything, but try to understand why they feel the way they feel, and have some goddamn empathy.

I blame two things for our current situation:

1. Social Media. In hindsight it makes perfect sense, but polarizing content will generate more engagement, and since engagement is a primary KPI for many platforms, that is what the Algorithms will select for naturally. It's a positive feedback loop, that resulted in people defacing their neighbours front-yard political posters, and then smugly posting about it on social media. Because of course that's how you'll convince them to vote for the other party.

2. Two party system: I like eating meat, and I would like to continue doing so if I can. But I also care for the protection of animals and sustainable utilisation of resources. But because meat is part of the Carnivore party's platform, and everything else is part of the Herbivore party's platform. People might support more worker's rights, but now in order to get that they must also be anti abortion. It's a broken system and it breeds deep deep divisions.

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