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Manjaro Linux prepares to enable telemetry by default

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Re: Manjaro Linux prepares to enable telemetry by default

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Post by scheeseman486 »

jeroenhd wrote: post #64
nixosbestos wrote: post #27

I will never, ever understand how Manjaro has the audience it has, including SBC manufacturers, etc. They don't work with the community particularly well, have a horrible, awful track record of distro stewardship. And now this.

Installing Arch is unnecessarily difficult for most people. Manjaro is Arch without all the hassle. All the "cool" people seem to have switched to Manjaro's successor, EndeavourOS, though, which does the same thing but with a rebrand. I've never had trouble with Manjaro because of anything Manjaro caused. The occasional error when updating because the AUR is ahead of the distro repo is never a problem. The worst prob…

The occasional error when updating from AUR because of Manjaro's arbitrarily updated system stack is absolutely a problem, as evidenced by the occasional error.

EndevourOS is not the same as Manjaro, it uses Arch's binary repositories directly. The answer to "how to fix libxyz on endeavour" is exactly the same as "how to fix libxyz on arch' which means that the Arch wiki, one of the best Linux rescources in general, directly applies. I straight up think Manjaro is a waste of time for everyone, it doesn't really do anything better and they've handled so many things so much worse.

Re: Manjaro Linux prepares to enable telemetry by default

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Post by Doxin »

sealeck wrote: post #92
Nullabillity wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Consent needs to be freely given; you can't nudge users into it and you can't hold access ransom over it. There's no way what you're suggesting would fly.

I've been told that if you have mandatory telemetry in your application that's fine because the user has a way to opt out (it's a free market and they don't have to use your software). I believe the territory where you add an opt-out is a bit murkier.

"Opt-in or pound sand" is explicitly not allowed.

Re: Manjaro Linux prepares to enable telemetry by default

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Post by devit »

richwater wrote: post #16
devit wrote: post #5

They and can should count users only by updates. Make a package that is required and only changed upon each release (containing for instance /etc/os-release) and count how many distinct IP addresses download it.

> distinct IP addresses NAT would like to laugh at you

It's an approximation, but if you don't do that, someone creating and updating a container in a loop (or intentionally running wget in a loop) will skew the statistics arbitrarily.

I don't think there is a more precise way to do it without compromising privacy. Obviously if you are willing to compromise privacy you can send information such as whether the distribution is running in a container or VM and the NIC MAC address and a persistent identifier, but that would be unacceptable since it is not in the interests of users to send that.

Re: Manjaro Linux prepares to enable telemetry by default

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Post by consteval »

jklinger410 wrote: post #74
talldayo wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. Archinstall has better disk partitioning tools, more options and a more logical and clear setup menu. The reason people do not use it and prefer Manjaro instead is because it has a GUI, despite the fact that it is objectively a worse interface. I say this as a former Arch/Manjaro user that had to reinstall his system every 2 months. Once you get over the "text on a screen is scary" phase it's immediately…

Well maybe after decades of evidence developers will come to grips with the fact that, for most users, a GUI is always better than a text interface. Or you can keep shouting into a void, your choice.

Better in what metric?

The problem with users, of pretty much anything, is that they're stupid. Even me! I am stupid. When I buy a car, I'm not so worried about the drive train or the complexity of the transmission or how viscous the oil it uses is. Because that I don't understand. Pretty colors, sharp lines, and a good price makes my decisions. But those are surface level.

GUIs may attract more users, perhaps that's a metric they're better in. That doesn't make them faster to use, or even easier to use! Users greatly skew towards familiarity, but typically familiarity in surface-level ways only.

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