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Re: Apple's M4 Max chip is the fastest single-core performer in consumer computing

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Post by whynotminot »

LeafItAlone wrote: post #37
whynotminot wrote: post #7

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You’re not the only one — but just curious where this skepticism comes from. This is M 4 — Apple has now made four generations of chips and each one were class leading upon release. What more do you need to see?

I don’t think they are skeptical of the chip itself. Just asking about the benchmark used. If I was reviewing cars and used the number of doors as a benchmark for speed, surely I’d get laughed at.

Right but we keep repeating this cycle. A new M series chip comes, the geekbench leaks and its class leading.

Immediately people “but geEk BeNcH”

And then actual people get their hands on the machines for their real workloads and essentially confirm the geekbench results.

If this was the first time, then fair enough. But it’s a Groundhog Day style sketch comedy at this point with M4.

Re: Apple's M4 Max chip is the fastest single-core performer in consumer computing

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Post by nottorp »

crazygringo wrote: post #21
whynotminot wrote: post #10

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They’ve always been good enough for gaming. The problem has just been whether or not publishers would bother releasing the games. It’s unfortunate that Apple can’t seem to really build enough momentum here to become a gaming destination.

It has always baffled me why Apple doesn't take gaming seriously. It's another revenue stream, it would sell more Macs. It's profit. Is it just some weird cultural thing? Or is there some kind of genuine technical reason for it, like it would involve some kind of tradeoffs around security or limiting architecture changes or something? Especially with the M-series chips, it feels like they had the opportunity to make…

> Is it just some weird cultural thing?

I think so. I think no one in apple management has ever played computer games for fun so they simply do not understand what customers would want.

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Post by jwells89 »

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #44
carlgreene wrote: post #11

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I am still astounded the huge change moving from an Intel Mac to an Apple Silicon Mac (M1) has had in terms of battery performance and heat. I don't think i've heard the fans a single time I've had this machine and it's been several years. Nor have I had any desire to upgrade.

I do wonder if PC desktops will eventually move to a similar design. I have a 7800x3d on my desktop, and the thing is a beast but between it and the 3090 I basically have a space heater in my room

It would be nice. Similarly have a 5950X/3080Ti tower and it’s a great machine, but if it were an option for it to be as small and low-noise as the new Mini (or even the previous mini or Studio), I’d happily take it.

Re: Apple's M4 Max chip is the fastest single-core performer in consumer computing

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Post by ffsm8 »

crazygringo wrote: post #21
whynotminot wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They’ve always been good enough for gaming. The problem has just been whether or not publishers would bother releasing the games. It’s unfortunate that Apple can’t seem to really build enough momentum here to become a gaming destination.

It has always baffled me why Apple doesn't take gaming seriously. It's another revenue stream, it would sell more Macs. It's profit. Is it just some weird cultural thing? Or is there some kind of genuine technical reason for it, like it would involve some kind of tradeoffs around security or limiting architecture changes or something? Especially with the M-series chips, it feels like they had the opportunity to make…

They do take gaming seriously, that's likely the bulk of their AppStore revenue after all.

They just don't care about desktop gaming, which is somewhat understandable. While the m-series chips have a GPU, it's about as performant for games as a dedicated GPU from 10-14 years ago (It only needs a fraction of the electricity though, but very few desktop gamers care about that).

The games you can play have to run at silly low resolution (fullHD at most) and rarely even reach 60fps.

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Post by braymundo »

hanniabu wrote: post #6

Good enough to be used for gaming? Really want Apple to get into that because dealing with Windows sucks.

Incidentally, CD Projekt announced Cyberpunk 2077 Ultimate Edition for Mac yesterday. There is hope! :)

https://www.cyberpunk.net/en/news/50947/just-announced-cyber...

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Post by JansjoFromIkea »

carlgreene wrote: post #11
post_break wrote: post #8

What's crazy is that the M4 Pro is in the Mac mini, something so tiny can handle that chip. The Mac Studio with the M4 Max will be awesome but the Mini is remarkable.

I am still astounded the huge change moving from an Intel Mac to an Apple Silicon Mac (M1) has had in terms of battery performance and heat. I don't think i've heard the fans a single time I've had this machine and it's been several years. Nor have I had any desire to upgrade.

If it's a M1 Macbook Air there's a very good reason you've never heard a fan!

Blows my mind how it doesn't even have a fan and is still rarely even anything above body temperature. My 2015 MBP was still going strong for work when I bailed on it late last year but the transition purely on the heat/sound emitted has been colossal.

Re: Apple's M4 Max chip is the fastest single-core performer in consumer computing

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Post by [deleted] »

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #44
carlgreene wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am still astounded the huge change moving from an Intel Mac to an Apple Silicon Mac (M1) has had in terms of battery performance and heat. I don't think i've heard the fans a single time I've had this machine and it's been several years. Nor have I had any desire to upgrade.

I do wonder if PC desktops will eventually move to a similar design. I have a 7800x3d on my desktop, and the thing is a beast but between it and the 3090 I basically have a space heater in my room

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Re: Apple's M4 Max chip is the fastest single-core performer in consumer computing

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Post by jihadjihad »

carlgreene wrote: post #11
post_break wrote: post #8

What's crazy is that the M4 Pro is in the Mac mini, something so tiny can handle that chip. The Mac Studio with the M4 Max will be awesome but the Mini is remarkable.

I am still astounded the huge change moving from an Intel Mac to an Apple Silicon Mac (M1) has had in terms of battery performance and heat. I don't think i've heard the fans a single time I've had this machine and it's been several years. Nor have I had any desire to upgrade.

I've got a coworker who still has an Intel MacBook Pro, 8-core i9 and all that, and I've been on M chips since they launched. The other day he was building some Docker images while we were screensharing and I was dumbfounded at how long it took. I don't think I can even remember a recent time when building images, even ones pushed to CDK etc., takes more than a minute or so. We waited and waited and finally after 8 minutes it was done.

He told me his fans were going crazy and his entire desk was hot after that. Apple silicon is just a game changer.

Re: Apple's M4 Max chip is the fastest single-core performer in consumer computing

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Post by matwood »

mdasen wrote: post #51
carlgreene wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am still astounded the huge change moving from an Intel Mac to an Apple Silicon Mac (M1) has had in terms of battery performance and heat. I don't think i've heard the fans a single time I've had this machine and it's been several years. Nor have I had any desire to upgrade.

> Nor have I had any desire to upgrade I never thought I'd see a processor that was 50% faster single-core and 80% faster multi-core and just shrug. My M1 Pro still feels so magically fast. I'm really happy that Apple keeps pushing things and I'll be grateful when I do decide to upgrade, but my M1 Pro has just been such a magical machine. Every other laptop I've ever bought (Mac or PC) has run its fan regularly. I di…

Yeah, I have an M1 Max 64GB and don't feel any need to upgrade. I think I'll hit the need for more ram before a processor increase with my current workload.
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