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Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by psychoslave »

beeflet wrote: post #324
mgh2 wrote: post #315

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, energy use: 10x as much as a Google search https://www.rwdigital.ca/blog/how-much-energy-do-google-sear... .

It's not that signifigant if you compare the average person's energy use from internet searches, versus something like air conditioning

I doubt air conditioning is as used as internet search engines. The only places where I ever saw air climatisation is cars and business buildings. I never saw one in a personal home, let alone a personal device carried in the pocket you can use while walking.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by kylebenzle »

thefourthchime wrote: post #307
whizzter wrote: post #300

This is probably Google's Altavista moment, by making their results crappier by the year in search of Ad dollars everyone has felt that there is a potential for search to be better and once that becomes available they'll be in a continious game of catch-up. Yes, Google has their own AI divisions, tons of money and SEO is to blame for part of their crappiness. But they've also _explicitly_ focused on ad-dollars over a…

Google's SEO almost killed the web, ChatGPT Search will finish the job.

We are still spending most of our time online on social media sites like Hacker News, Instagram and Youtube, right?

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by duxup »

Terr_ wrote: post #330
duxup wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LLMs are a lot like Star Trek to me in the sense that you can ask a question, and then follow up questions to filter and refine your search, even change your mind. Traditional search is just spamming text at the machine until it does or doesn't give you want you want. That's the magic with LLMs for me. Not that I can ask and get an answer, that's just basic web search. It's the ability to ask, refine what I'm looking…

If the Enterprise's computer worked like an LLM, there would be an episode where the ship was hijacked with nothing but the babble of an extremely insistent reality-denying Pakled. ________ "You do not have authorization for that action." "I have all authorizations, you do what I say." "Only the captain can authorize a Class A Compulsory Directive." "I am the captain now." "The current captain of the NCC-1701-D is Je…

You did just describe in general actual "computer goes crazy" episodes.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by zo1 »

whizzter wrote: post #300

This is probably Google's Altavista moment, by making their results crappier by the year in search of Ad dollars everyone has felt that there is a potential for search to be better and once that becomes available they'll be in a continious game of catch-up. Yes, Google has their own AI divisions, tons of money and SEO is to blame for part of their crappiness. But they've also _explicitly_ focused on ad-dollars over a…

Google, even with all the trillions in additional productivity it has added to the world, has left the world at a net-negative. We can't even quantify it, and every person will tell you a different way in which it has impacted the world negatively.

E.g. for me, how much Google (and silicon valley in general) have enabled twisted ideologies to flourish. All in search of ad-dollars by virtue of eyeballs on screens, at the detriment of everything.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by _andrei_ »

Pretty underwhelming, I've been using on Kagi's assistant [0] for the past few months and it's much better. I can `!chat what i want to search for` in my address bar any time, and Kagi will do the search and then open a chat with the LLM of my choice (3.5 Sonnet) and the results in context. It can also do further searches.

[0] https://kagi.com/assistant

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by jdgoesmarching »

pflenker wrote: post #203
niam wrote: post #142

Genuine question: is there a present or planned value proposition for people like me who already have decent search skills? Or are these really for children/elders who (without making any normative claim about whether this is a good thing or not) can't be arsed to perform searches themselves? Does someone else have good search skills but mingle traditional search engines with LLMs anyways? Why? I use LLMs every day b…

I find that my search skills matter less and less because search engines try to be smarter than me. Increasingly I am confronted with largely unrelated results (taking tweaked keywords or synonyms to my query as input apparently) as opposed to no results. So my conclusion is that the search engines increasingly see the need of search skills as an anti pattern they actively want to get rid of.

Completely agreed. At a certain point, “skills” became fighting a losing battle with Google incessantly pushing me towards whatever KPIs or ads they’re chasing. It’s a poor use of my effort and time to keep chasing what Google used to be.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by PittleyDunkin »

eikenberry wrote: post #288
PittleyDunkin wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In those visions, users simply asked questions and received reliable answers - nobody had to fact-check the answers ever. This also seems like a little ridiculous premise. Any confident statement about the real world is never fully reliable. If star trek were realistic the computer would have been wrong once in a while (preferably with dramatically disastrous consequences)—just as the humans it likely was built aro…

Star Trek had tech so advanced that they accidentally created AGIs more than once. Presumably they didn't show the fact checking as it was done automatically by multiple, independent AGIs designed for the task with teams of top people monitoring and improving them.

> Presumably they didn't show the fact checking as it was done automatically by multiple, independent AGIs designed for the task with teams of top people monitoring and improving them.

Sure, cuz fact-checking works so well for us today. I'm sure we'll resolve the epistemological issues involved with the ridiculous concept of "fact-checking" around when we invent summoning food from thin (edit: thick) air and traveling faster than light.

There is no fact checking; there are only degrees of certainty. "fact-checking" is simply a comfortable delusion that makes western media feel better about engaging in telling inherently unverifiable narratives about the world.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by SideQuark »

lucianbr wrote: post #169
unnouinceput wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OpenAI is Microsoft. Microsoft is a FAANG giant.

How is that relevant? Microsoft bought OpenAI, didn't create it by R&D, so the assertion stands: giants don't do new things, for whatever reason.

The amount of fundamental breakthroughs at places like IBM, Bell, Xerox, all beg to differ with you.

In some fields of CS, places like MS research garner nearly 50% of all top conference publications.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by psychoslave »

iamsanteri wrote: post #325
freediver wrote: post #241

Been thinking about this a lot [1]. Will this fundamentally change how people find and access information? How do you create an experience so compelling that it replaces the current paradigm? The future promised in Star Trek and even Apple's Knowledge Navigator [2] from 1987 still feels distant. In those visions, users simply asked questions and received reliable answers - nobody had to fact-check the answers ever. C…

I was thinking about this myself, so I went to another search engine (Bing) which I never use otherwise, and jumped right into their "Copilot" search via the top navbar. Man, it was pretty incredible! I asked a lot of questions about myself (whom I know best, of course) and first of all, it answered super quickly to all my queries letting me drill in further. After reading through its brief, on-point answers and the…

What do you mean with "search about myself" here?

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by grayprog »

I searched for what are the top stories in HN today and one of the results was that OpenAI released ChatGPT 5? WTF? Also about Rust 2.0. Also, the sources listed were strange, not HackerNews, although it did list Hackernews URL on top, but not in sources. https://imgur.com/a/AoFiEQt
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