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Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by arromatic » Thu, Oct 31, 2024, 6:07 PM UTC

randcraw wrote: post #136

arromatic wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think if they improve the algorithm maybe they can actually present seo free results.

You don't think SEO-LLMs will evolve to redirect search-LLMs to 'see the world' the way the SEO-LLMs want it to? I foresee SEO-LLM-brinkmanship as the inevitable outcome. Soon THIS will be the catalyst for the real Skynet -- battling smart ad engines.

Only if openai is willing to play it . If they follow google than seo-llm won't even exist because there will be no need for it.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by davedx » Thu, Oct 31, 2024, 6:07 PM UTC

I asked it to do its own DCF model of Paypal using current data and it did, using inputs from three different financial data sources.

This is incredible and a direct threat to Google’s core biz.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by pflenker » Thu, Oct 31, 2024, 6:08 PM UTC

niam wrote: post #142

Genuine question: is there a present or planned value proposition for people like me who already have decent search skills? Or are these really for children/elders who (without making any normative claim about whether this is a good thing or not) can't be arsed to perform searches themselves? Does someone else have good search skills but mingle traditional search engines with LLMs anyways? Why? I use LLMs every day b…

I find that my search skills matter less and less because search engines try to be smarter than me. Increasingly I am confronted with largely unrelated results (taking tweaked keywords or synonyms to my query as input apparently) as opposed to no results. So my conclusion is that the search engines increasingly see the need of search skills as an anti pattern they actively want to get rid of.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by currymj » Thu, Oct 31, 2024, 6:10 PM UTC

keiferski wrote: post #13

nextworddev wrote: post #5

I have turned bearish on Perplexity recently, this confirms it

Perplexity is a really terrible name for a product and that alone will hold it back from being a real competitor.

A good language model is one with low perplexity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perplexity

Reasonable name for a language model startup.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by rty32 » Thu, Oct 31, 2024, 6:12 PM UTC

famouswaffles wrote: post #75

"""Search will be available at chatgpt.com (opens in a new window), as well as on our desktop and mobile apps. All ChatGPT Plus and Team users, as well as SearchGPT waitlist users, will have access today. Enterprise and Edu users will get access in the next few weeks. We’ll roll out to all Free users over the coming months.""" Can confirm that free users who signed up for the waitlist can use it right now (even if th…

I signed up for the wait list as well and got the email. However there is no search button on the web interface (free tier). Is there anything I am missing?

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by summerlight » Thu, Oct 31, 2024, 6:12 PM UTC

qwertox wrote: post #64

Makes me question why Google never bothered to create something like search sessions which could be enriched with comments/notes and would be located in a sidebar just like the chats in ChatGPT/Claude/Mistral are. They really had the potential to do something interesting, but were just focused on their ad metrics with the "good enough" search box. What have they been doing all the time?

I guess now Google's search stack is too complicated and not many engineers understand what to do in order to introduce a novel, big feature integrated into the full stack vertically and horizontally. And those few capable of doing so are probably completely out of bandwidth, so some random ambitious PM cannot pull their hands into uncertain green field projects.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by sunaookami » Thu, Oct 31, 2024, 6:12 PM UTC

paul7986 wrote: post #20

https://chatgpt.com/?hints=search (handy link to it)

And https://chatgpt.com/?hints=search&q=%s if you want to add a custom search engine to your browser

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by melenaboija » Thu, Oct 31, 2024, 6:13 PM UTC

niam wrote: post #142

Genuine question: is there a present or planned value proposition for people like me who already have decent search skills? Or are these really for children/elders who (without making any normative claim about whether this is a good thing or not) can't be arsed to perform searches themselves? Does someone else have good search skills but mingle traditional search engines with LLMs anyways? Why? I use LLMs every day b…

Any question that few months ago I would do to stackexchange (or expect and answer from, after a google seqrch) either coding or quantitative, I go to chat gpt now.

I consider myself quite anti LLM hype and I have to admit it has been working amazingly good for me.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by trump2025 » Thu, Oct 31, 2024, 6:13 PM UTC

This might be unpopular opinion but it really isn't as big of a deal as OpenAI makes it out to be (like their previous announcements)

The truth is, I haven't used ChatGPT at all since spring of this year. Claude's Sonnet 3.5 has replaced it. I pay very little attention to what OpenAI releases and simply waits for Anthropic to implement it.

I also started using Gemini which already outperforms perplexity and this and will not switch.

I think everybody is constantly caught up with their infatuation with OpenAI and other characters that they don't realize Google, Anthropic are actually building a moat which some like Gary Marcus keeps rambling on as impossible

I'm a realist and I can see that while Google has been slower to start, it reminds me of the search engine wars of 2000s, it is dominating and winning over users.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by notatoad » Thu, Oct 31, 2024, 6:15 PM UTC

blixt wrote: post #108

One thing that is quite unfortunate with the state of SEO and the web in general today is that when I asked "what are the latest versions of common programming languages and when were they released?" a large amount of the sources were "13 Tools You Should Learn Now" and the like. This might be a solvable problem within the search API they provide to the LLM, but for now I wouldn't trust current LLMs to be able to fil…

>what are the latest versions of common programming languages and when were they released?

is this a real question you needed an answer to, or a hypothetical you posed to test the quality of search results?

of course you're going to get listicles for a query like that, because it sounds like a query specifically chosen to find low-quality listicles.