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Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by DSingularity »

Liquix wrote: post #132
qwertox wrote: post #64

Makes me question why Google never bothered to create something like search sessions which could be enriched with comments/notes and would be located in a sidebar just like the chats in ChatGPT/Claude/Mistral are. They really had the potential to do something interesting, but were just focused on their ad metrics with the "good enough" search box. What have they been doing all the time?

the FAANG giants have been government assets for ~15+ years [0]. they don't have to turn a profit every quarter, innovate, or make their search any better because they no longer play by the rules a normal business does. they are a critical "too big to fail" component of the state's global surveillance system. [0] https://static1.makeuseofimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/upl...

Not just surveillance. Power projection. I wonder what impacts you can have on foreign economies by playing with quality of these tech giants outputs?

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by niam »

Genuine question: is there a present or planned value proposition for people like me who already have decent search skills? Or are these really for children/elders who (without making any normative claim about whether this is a good thing or not) can't be arsed to perform searches themselves?

Does someone else have good search skills but mingle traditional search engines with LLMs anyways? Why?

I use LLMs every day but wouldn't trust one to perform searches for me yet. I feel like you have to type more for a result that's slower and wordier, and that might stop early when it amasses what it thinks are answers from low effort SEO farms.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by arromatic »

speedgoose wrote: post #131
inhumantsar wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this is why I pay for Kagi. granted those results still come up, but you can block specific domains from ever appearing in the results and configure how listicles are displayed.

As an alternative, ublacklist is free and open-source.

Average serp page has 10 results . What if all 10 matches with your blacklist ? Not to mention you can't do anything if the engine dosen't search deeper .

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by joshdavham »

benob wrote: post #130
blixt wrote: post #108

One thing that is quite unfortunate with the state of SEO and the web in general today is that when I asked "what are the latest versions of common programming languages and when were they released?" a large amount of the sources were "13 Tools You Should Learn Now" and the like. This might be a solvable problem within the search API they provide to the LLM, but for now I wouldn't trust current LLMs to be able to fil…

This is the next step for SEO: be able to game ChatGPT prompts trying to filter out SEO crap...

How do you think people will try to game AI-based search?

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by qwertox »

arromatic wrote: post #121
qwertox wrote: post #64

Makes me question why Google never bothered to create something like search sessions which could be enriched with comments/notes and would be located in a sidebar just like the chats in ChatGPT/Claude/Mistral are. They really had the potential to do something interesting, but were just focused on their ad metrics with the "good enough" search box. What have they been doing all the time?

Can you tell me a bit more ? What do you mean by search session ?

Let's see, if I go to " ⋮ -> History -> Grouped History" on the top right of the Chrome browser, I see a "Search History" ( chrome://history/grouped ).

For example `8 hours ago: "autohotkey hotkeys"` with 4 links to pages which I visited while searching.

But this is a Chrome feature, not a Google Search feature. https://myactivity.google.com/myactivity does (sometimes? can't see it right now) have a grouping feature of all the searches made, but this is more of a search log than a search management feature.

So chrome://history/grouped is the closest to what I mean, but I can't pin or manage these history groups, enrich them with comments or even files, like pdf's which could then get stored in Google Drive, as well as get indexed for better searches.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by moralestapia »

This is great, I can't wait to get rid of Google and all the crap that comes with it.

Hopefully this also provides a strong negative force against SEO and, again, all the crap that comes nowadays thanks to Google.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by ben_w »

blixt wrote: post #108

One thing that is quite unfortunate with the state of SEO and the web in general today is that when I asked "what are the latest versions of common programming languages and when were they released?" a large amount of the sources were "13 Tools You Should Learn Now" and the like. This might be a solvable problem within the search API they provide to the LLM, but for now I wouldn't trust current LLMs to be able to fil…

SEO spam is always going to focus on the biggest market, and by doing so they can be completely transparent and obvious to whoever they're not trying to fool.

I'd assume right now the SEO target is still mainly Google rather than ChatGPT, but that's only an "I recon" not a citation.

If and when ChatGPT does become the main target for SEO spam, then Googling may start giving good results again.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by DSingularity »

Is this a move to try to setup a pathway for getting some data on realtime trends? In other words something for quickly getting some model updates for hot prompts like like “what happened in the debate”.

Or is this something they’ve already solved?

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