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Re: ChatGPT Search

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post #64

Makes me question why Google never bothered to create something like search sessions which could be enriched with comments/notes and would be located in a sidebar just like the chats in ChatGPT/Claude/Mistral are. They really had the potential to do something interesting, but were just focused on their ad metrics with the "good enough" search box. What have they been doing all the time?

Can you tell me a bit more ? What do you mean by search session ?

Re: ChatGPT Search

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post #103

How long until advertisements are subtly introduced? I didn’t notice any specific brand of limoncello recommended in their demo.

Why would they ever want to sell ads? They did not get addicted to selling ads, have billions in revenue from paying subscribers, and don't have to wean themselves off of ads (as Google and Meta would love to do).

Because Sam Altman needs to buy another Greubel Forsey, of course.

Re: ChatGPT Search

#124

How long until advertisements are subtly introduced? I didn’t notice any specific brand of limoncello recommended in their demo.

Honestly, if I can disable ads by paying them, then I'm ok with it. Google will suck all your data even if you pay, and link the entire earth of services to your identity. For now, chatgpt doesn't care, and I already pay for what they provide. May they kill Google. 20 years old me would freak out hearing me that, they used to be my heroes.

So the issue is if you let people opt out by paying you’re left with a low intent, likely lower net worth group of people to advertise to. As a result those eyeballs are worth less. The advertisers will turn to other platforms if you only let the worst people see their ads.

Unless enough people all pay, the whole thing stops working. But there aren’t enough people who will pay because most people don’t care.

Tldr: the ad supported business model fundamentally doesn’t work if you let all your best products (you) opt out by paying. It requires them to pay an amount far in excess of what they would be willing to pay for the system to work.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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post #108

One thing that is quite unfortunate with the state of SEO and the web in general today is that when I asked "what are the latest versions of common programming languages and when were they released?" a large amount of the sources were "13 Tools You Should Learn Now" and the like. This might be a solvable problem within the search API they provide to the LLM, but for now I wouldn't trust current LLMs to be able to fil…

this is why I pay for Kagi. granted those results still come up, but you can block specific domains from ever appearing in the results and configure how listicles are displayed.

Re: ChatGPT Search

#127
post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably not long, some users already got A/B'ed into testing "sponsored results" https://i.imgur.com/UpAptFL.png

The response on the left references specific products, but where's the evidence that it's sponsored?

Aside from the marketing-ish tone and specific deeplinks to product purchase pages, the prominent Amazon logo and product description headline implied some degree of affiliation to my eyes. It seems like the evidence is that it would be foolish not to take the money for presenting such an obvious referral of a motivated buyer.

Frankly the example they posted seems like a fairly happy one, where the user is explicitly implying that they’re seeking a specific physical product to introduce to their life. We’ve all seen where those monetization incentives lead over time though.

But you’re right—not even so much as a tiny word “Ad” like Google does…

Re: ChatGPT Search

#128

Can it find obscure sites like marginalia does or personal blogs posted in hn or it's just another bing + ai summarizer ?

I asked for long tail blog posts about interesting places to visit in Paris. I got one result; from an obscure website called Vogue.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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post #108

One thing that is quite unfortunate with the state of SEO and the web in general today is that when I asked "what are the latest versions of common programming languages and when were they released?" a large amount of the sources were "13 Tools You Should Learn Now" and the like. This might be a solvable problem within the search API they provide to the LLM, but for now I wouldn't trust current LLMs to be able to fil…

Given how many of those SEO spam sites are themselves generated by ChatGPT now, OpenAI can simply back-reference their own logs to find out which sites are probably SEO spam while everyone else is left guessing. That's vertical integration!

If they do that , That's a genius idea.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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post #108

One thing that is quite unfortunate with the state of SEO and the web in general today is that when I asked "what are the latest versions of common programming languages and when were they released?" a large amount of the sources were "13 Tools You Should Learn Now" and the like. This might be a solvable problem within the search API they provide to the LLM, but for now I wouldn't trust current LLMs to be able to fil…

This is the next step for SEO: be able to game ChatGPT prompts trying to filter out SEO crap...
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