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Re: We're forking Flutter

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Post by izacus »

satvikpendem wrote: post #553
Capricorn2481 wrote: post #471

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Don't elaborate or anything.

I think they're referring to the extra frame of latency when scrolling on Android. But then again, I've literally never heard anyone complain about that, I honestly don't think anyone notices, I believe the GitHub issue had to use a slow motion camera to even capture the issue.

Sorry, but do you really develop your software as a professional engineer based on "I heard X from few people"? With all the bias and filtering your brain does for this kind of "metric"?

Re: We're forking Flutter

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Post by thiht »

> How many Flutter developers exist in the world, today? My guess is that it's on the order of 1,000,000 developers.

I have a hard time taking this number seriously, that sounds grossly exaggerated.

Are there parts of the world where people actually use Flutter? Even their showcase is pretty light and a bit deceptive.

Re: We're forking Flutter

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Post by [deleted] »

kevincox wrote: post #573
lopatin wrote: post #337

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> we do not want, or intend, to fork the Flutter community. I can't reconcile that statement with the rest of the blog post. Good intentions aside, this is exactly what they are on the path to doing. From the post: > By forking Flutter, we get to decide what gets merged. I'll allow myself to be naively blunt since I just learned of this and I don't have a stake in this battle, but it seems like a nice little coup att…

> can squash by putting more resources into Flutter So success?

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Re: We're forking Flutter

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Post by signal11 »

zaphirplane wrote: post #561
deergomoo wrote: post #215

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> Most people don't realize how many apps written in Flutter they use daily, simply because it's impossible to tell You can't be serious. Maybe on Android, but on other platforms—especially iOS—they stick out like a sore thumb. A number of them just look like Material Design Android apps awkwardly transplanted over, but I know that's down to the developer so I won't hold that against Flutter. But scrolling through th…

Over time I have become convinced that the, fit in argument is not something that actual users care for. The sometime subjective aesthetic reasoning doesn’t mean the application can’t succeed. office ribbon is an example

A lot of users do care for fit and finish, but stick around with crappy UI because it’s not worth rage-quitting over.

They do move when better UI + same-ish functionality comes along.

The one sort-of exception to this is Enterprise Sales, where the people buying the software don’t always use it. But even there, corporate purchasers do get flak in annual reviews / feedback cycles for especially crappy enterprise software — so even there, especially crappy UI will catch up with you.

Re: We're forking Flutter

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Post by pritambarhate »

thiht wrote: post #592

> How many Flutter developers exist in the world, today? My guess is that it's on the order of 1,000,000 developers. I have a hard time taking this number seriously, that sounds grossly exaggerated. Are there parts of the world where people actually use Flutter? Even their showcase is pretty light and a bit deceptive.

In India Flutter is quite popular. But I also doubt there will be professional 1M flutter devs our there. However if we include students and hobbyists, then definitely there could be a 1M Flutter devs out there.

Re: We're forking Flutter

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Post by amelius »

deergomoo wrote: post #251
divan wrote: post #233

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Sure, but not every cross-platform app developer wants their app to look "native to iOS". Especially if you want your app to look the same on all platforms and/or have some creative design.

I can appreciate that as a developer, but as a user I don’t particularly care that some company wants to ship identical looking apps on every device under the sun. I would prefer the apps I use to work and behave in a consistent way, using the same platform idioms I am used to. The software available and how it works was a large part of the reason I chose the platform I did. Of course, I recognise that, a. most peopl…

Do you hear people complain that __websites__ have different aesthetics?

I used to share your opinion but since the web I think it is great that designers can have original designs and I started to worry about more important things.

Re: We're forking Flutter

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Post by IshKebab »

no_carrier wrote: post #351
flawn wrote: post #59

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If you have an Android phone, get FlutterShark and check which of your installed apps use Flutter. It's a surprising amount actually. For example, I just recently discovered that Supercell uses Flutter for their Supercell-ID flow.

I have a pretty limited understanding of mobile sandboxing, but how does FlutterShark have access to analyse all the apps on my phone?

Since the beginning of Android apps could see what other apps were installed on your phone without asking for special permission.

They finally added a permission for it - QUERY_ALL_PACKAGES - in Android 11 (2020). Unfortunately it's one of those stupid permissions like filesystem access where you have to apply for it via a form, and only whitelisted use cases are allowed:

> Permitted uses involve apps that must discover any and all installed apps on the device, for awareness or interoperability purposes may have eligibility for the permission. Permitted uses include device search, antivirus apps, file managers and browsers.

I suppose that situation is slightly better than "anyone can do it for any reason".

Re: We're forking Flutter

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Post by amelius »

mirzap wrote: post #564
divan wrote: post #233

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Sure, but not every cross-platform app developer wants their app to look "native to iOS". Especially if you want your app to look the same on all platforms and/or have some creative design.

Developers who think that way have no clue what their users want. Most iOS users want a native experience, not something else. When I see an app that doesn't have that, I quickly lose interest. Having the app look the same on all platforms is a dumb idea to start with.

Are these the same users that prefer websites without CSS?
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