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Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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bastawhiz wrote: post #151
caycep wrote: post #15

tbh I continue to say the i3 scale/weight was what mass market EV transportation should have been designed towards (and more efforts focused on public trans than single/small n occupant cars). Societal/environmental cost of 6000-7000 lb behemoths erase any emissions gains from going EV.

The biggest failing of the i3, in my opinion, is that it looked stupid. It was cheap and "dorky" looking for no obvious reason. There was nothing that stopped BMW from making it look like any of their other models but they chose to make it weird and different in a way that surely hurt its sales. A real shame, honestly.

The Bolt looked nearly as dorky and they sold plenty of those. Even with the battery recall. I doubt GM made much if any profit though. LG chemicals sure didn't.

The Ioniq 5 looks way better than both and of course it is doing numbers as a result.

i3 was just expensive, low range, and overall not a competitive EV in the NA market.

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by NewJazz »

Terr_ wrote: post #26

This kind of summary is tricky because the answer can depend on the bucketing that occurs from the spread of models or manufacturers. The linked Kelly Blue Book report tables are probably more-useful, and state that in Q3, 4.8% of the vehicles sold were Cybertrucks. I'm not familiar with pickup-truck-adjacent vehicles, but I notice the "Ford F-150 Lightning" was 2.1%, and the "GMC Hummer Truck / SUV" was 1.2%.

GM has Silverado and Sierra EV trucks on the same platform as the Hummer.

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by NewJazz »

potato3732842 wrote: post #140
quickthrowman wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The business spends pretax dollars to pay the car payments instead of post tax W2 income or dividends/other cash disbursements that are taxed and then you can depreciate the company car against future income.

So? Businesses spend pre-tax dollars on most things they buy. Most companies literally don't have the margins to be solvent if all their purchasing activity is subject to 20%+ tax.

I think the implication is that the small business owners use this tax structure, but then use the car as a personal vehicle rather than a business vehicle.

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by troad »

MostlyStable wrote: post #46

It is honestly baffling to me how many people have such strong opinions on the Cyber Truck. I don't personally like the aesthetic, but the majority of the reason I wouldn't get one is that I really don't like Teslas interior design/control scheme (which, much like apple, has lead a lot of manufacturers to copy them). I hate the 100% touch screen thing that they have decided on. But like...also, I just won't buy one.…

> But like...also, I just won't buy one. The fact that the car isn't my ideal one does not require me to despise it, or really care about it at all. There are a lot of cars that I don't like for one reason or another.

Normally I'd agree with you, but driving a car brings with it with pretty extreme externalities - it's not the people driving these behemoths that I'm worried about, it's everyone else. Distracting touchscreens, an erratic self-driving AI, and a car made of sharp points. Doesn't bode well.

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by NewJazz »

GMoromisato wrote: post #36

Anecdata, but in the Bay Area I see a Cybertruck almost every time I go out. At the beginning of the year it was once per month. Now there are two or three Cybertruck owners in my immediate neighborhood. I don't like the look, personally, but my kids love it.

I was at a park. Ct pulled up to a stop sign. Kid playing drops their toy, runs into the field toward the truck, and says in awe "Cybertruuuuuck!".

People buy them as big toys.

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by meowster »

vitaflo wrote: post #42
nimbius wrote: post #39

The reason theyre selling is likely due to a US small business tax loophole that allows you to write off things like range rovers and escalades as a business expense. coupled with US electric vehicle incentives state and federal, and its a pretty sweet deal on the most electric SUV per weight and length you can buy. Honestly I fully expect to see these things crisping in the sunlit parking lot of a predatory auto len…

Literally every cybertruck I see has been fully wrapped with some business logo on it. I’m not sure I’ve yet seem one that wasn’t bought as a tax write off.

Literally every cybertruck I see has not had any business logo whatsoever on them.

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by EE84M3i »

skytanks wrote: post #143
PoignardAzur wrote: post #111

There was a Cybertruck at the Paris Games Week (there was a Tesla corner in the con for some reason). That was my first time seeing one in person. The most striking thing was how tall it was. Half the kids attending the PGW were smaller than its front bumper. I hope these things never, ever get allowed in France.

That’s strange since the Cybertruck doesn’t meet European regulations (at the very least UN-R26) due to pedestrian safety. Not sure if there is a workaround if someone imports it as their personal vehicle though.

Perhaps there's some sort of exception if it's just for exhibition? If there wasn't, I suppose it would be difficult to have things like museums, auto shows, etc

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by NetToolKit »

mikestew wrote: post #59
sashank_1509 wrote: post #40

The weird thing I’ve seen is in almost all the online forums I visit, like Reddit, YouTube comment sections, parts of twitter, hacker news, the cybertruck is universally panned. Yet when I drove a cybertruck, the number of onlookers who approached me inquiring about the car with excitement is unmatched with even a Lamborghini that I once rented. Shows how much of a bubble the internet alone is. MKBHD got the ratio’s…

People used to do the same thing to me after we bought one of the first Nissan Leafs. So much that a friend expressed displeasure with going with me to pick up food because he knew we would very likely be delayed by someone asking about the car. So I don’t think it’s much of a measuring stick.

But the LEAF is a great car :)

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by anonzzzies »

mfkp wrote: post #158
mattkenefick wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> we need more mainstream vehicles challenging the boring design "norms" I'd argue that we need to start treating cars like the utilitarian objects they are and stop associating our personalities with them.

We need to start treating PCs like the utilitarian objects they are and bring back beige cases.

80s home computer design please!

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by mdhb »

chairmansteve wrote: post #122
sashank_1509 wrote: post #40

The weird thing I’ve seen is in almost all the online forums I visit, like Reddit, YouTube comment sections, parts of twitter, hacker news, the cybertruck is universally panned. Yet when I drove a cybertruck, the number of onlookers who approached me inquiring about the car with excitement is unmatched with even a Lamborghini that I once rented. Shows how much of a bubble the internet alone is. MKBHD got the ratio’s…

"Yet when I drove a cybertruck, the number of onlookers who approached me inquiring about the car with excitement is unmatched with even a Lamborghini that I once rented". Your sampling method is flawed. Only Cybertruck fans are approaching you. Most people aren't going to come up and tell you they think your car is ugly.

Right, it’s kind of known as the incel mobile I think by most people. In the same way when you see a MAGA hat on the street, you already know a lot about the person before they a a single word and you do your best to avoid them but other people with MAGA hats will give each other the wink and nod.

In my experience that’s the closest thing I could describe to the cyber truck experience and how most people look at it.

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