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Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by bastawhiz »

caycep wrote: post #15

tbh I continue to say the i3 scale/weight was what mass market EV transportation should have been designed towards (and more efforts focused on public trans than single/small n occupant cars). Societal/environmental cost of 6000-7000 lb behemoths erase any emissions gains from going EV.

The biggest failing of the i3, in my opinion, is that it looked stupid. It was cheap and "dorky" looking for no obvious reason. There was nothing that stopped BMW from making it look like any of their other models but they chose to make it weird and different in a way that surely hurt its sales. A real shame, honestly.

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by csomar »

aeternum wrote: post #113
PoignardAzur wrote: post #111

There was a Cybertruck at the Paris Games Week (there was a Tesla corner in the con for some reason). That was my first time seeing one in person. The most striking thing was how tall it was. Half the kids attending the PGW were smaller than its front bumper. I hope these things never, ever get allowed in France.

In that case, I can't imagine how you feel about delivery trucks.

Many cities do not allow large trucks inside the city especially in pedestrian areas. Will the same restrictions apply to the cybertruck?

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by csomar »

sashank_1509 wrote: post #40

The weird thing I’ve seen is in almost all the online forums I visit, like Reddit, YouTube comment sections, parts of twitter, hacker news, the cybertruck is universally panned. Yet when I drove a cybertruck, the number of onlookers who approached me inquiring about the car with excitement is unmatched with even a Lamborghini that I once rented. Shows how much of a bubble the internet alone is. MKBHD got the ratio’s…

There is an anti-musk campaign on-going and anything Musk does is being criticized. That being said, from my Youtube observations it seems that the biggest issue is the build quality. They clearly rushed this through.

Don't get me wrong, I don't want to see this thing in small alleys and especially with the crazy speeds you can accelerate with. But it's definitively an interesting model.

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by csomar »

bsder wrote: post #114
39896880 wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Bolt EUV is the perfect EV, and it’s a travesty that they stopped selling it. Hopefully the talk of them bringing it back is true.

WTF is going on with the Chevy EVs? They dropped the Volt which you can only pry out of owners cold, dead hands. They dropped the Bolt EUV which seems to be similarly adored. What dumbass metric is causing these stupid decisions?

You can't make $25k/vehicle selling Bolts.

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by Sabinus »

Qwertious wrote: post #119
Sabinus wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only from China. Non-communist non-dumping, friendly states are welcome to compete.

People keep assuming China is only successful because they're dumping, and miss the elephant in the room: China went all-in on EVs over a decade ago, while we were fucking about with hybrids and maybe-just-stick-with-ICE. They have world-class batteries and insatiable domestic demand and it's been that way since before Tesla, what if China is undercutting us because their cars are just better ? In that case our tarri…

>They have world-class batteries and insatiable domestic demand

Excellent, then they won't have an issue with losing their export markets to tariffs, because they can just sell their EVs to the "insatiable demand" of the local consumers.

>what if China is undercutting us because their cars are just better

Price/performance they ARE better, China can produce cheaper because of their years of (government aided) investments and economies of scale. Of course, we aren't obligated to buy from belligerent states engaging in strategic mercantilism producing the goods of the future. We aren't obligated to prop up the Chinese export-oriented economic model in pursuit of one generation of cheap EV cars.

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by forgetfreeman »

DAGdug wrote: post #93
forgetfreeman wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually saw one in person for the first time a couple days ago. I had a great laugh at the owner's expense. He could better serve his desperate need for attention at a fraction of the price by hosting a block party or driving a 70s F150 or similar (aka an actual truck). Unlike many folks who think these things are trash I'm delighted they're on the market. Characterless voids trying to trowel over their emptiness…

Your comment perhaps says more about your own mental state than of those you’re collectively chiding.

I'm quite certain there's a contingent that are salving their egos with some flavor of narrative around that idea. Thing is I'm reminded of a particular gaping chasm of a human being that used to work for Epic Games. Around the time Gears of War bonus checks started dropping he flipped out and bought a Lamborghini. Shortly after taking delivery he was overheard complaining loudly about not being able to "pull" at the local club and expressing frustration that the car wasn't getting him enough attention. He decided having the car painted radium green would fix everything. We can, of course, pretend folks like him aren't common as grass but then you're stuck having to explain away things like the Hummer H2, or the rando on here that was bragging about dropping five figures on overpriced kitchen appliances until someone pointed out he could have gotten an actual restaurant walk-in for an order of magnitude less...

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by [deleted] »

sneed_chucker wrote: post #141
forgetfreeman wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually saw one in person for the first time a couple days ago. I had a great laugh at the owner's expense. He could better serve his desperate need for attention at a fraction of the price by hosting a block party or driving a 70s F150 or similar (aka an actual truck). Unlike many folks who think these things are trash I'm delighted they're on the market. Characterless voids trying to trowel over their emptiness…

I don't even like cybertrucks or Teslas, but Jesus could you be any more sour grapes about this?

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Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by mfkp »

mattkenefick wrote: post #137
shreezus wrote: post #32

I see multiple Cybertrucks every day driving around LA. I'll admit the design has grown on me, and we need more mainstream vehicles challenging the boring design "norms". I would love to see a cross between the Model Y and Cybertruck in the future.

> we need more mainstream vehicles challenging the boring design "norms" I'd argue that we need to start treating cars like the utilitarian objects they are and stop associating our personalities with them.

We need to start treating PCs like the utilitarian objects they are and bring back beige cases.

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by Sabinus »

tredre3 wrote: post #116
Sabinus wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only from China. Non-communist non-dumping, friendly states are welcome to compete.

50% of Telsas are made in China. China built Teslas are noticeably better built, too. Welcome to reality.

>they have the US government block competition

>Only from China. Non-communist non-dumping, friendly states are welcome to compete.

>50% of Telsas are made in China. China built Teslas are noticeably better built, too.

Please explain how your comment relates to mine, because I see no connection.

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by CuriousCosmic »

diebeforei485 wrote: post #145
Tanoc wrote: post #104

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The thing is, the people most likely to complain that the Cybertruck is a bad vehicle are the people who are informed about it. The wider public doesn't know about things like the tonneau cover leaking, wheel bearings failing, the suspension being stuck down and causing tire rub, the aerodynamic wheel covers that were causing tire failures because they were puncturing the sidewalls, the upper control arms that bend l…

Most of the things you mention are issues with individual units (lemons).

The problem with Teslas almost universally is with lemons. Which is to say if you get lucky your experience will be great. The problem is that there are a fuck ton of lemons and cars that have no problems turn into lemons right around the time that the first few problems show up (which means more lemons as they age).

That's essentially just a QA and reliability design failure which is indicative of broader issues with Tesla but it also means that until someone's vehicle starts having problems they will have nothing but a positive experience which can leave them blindsided by said problems.

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