Time to sit back and wait for the Streisand effect [0] to kick in...
When will they learn that trying to hide things from the Internet is never that simple (as evidenced by the already-posted archive links)?
Wikipedia article blocked worldwide by Delhi high court
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#32They shouldn’t comply on principle. But this trend of global blocks is picking up. See Australia versus X.
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#33> Long-form reports by The Caravan and The Ken, along with reports by other media watchdogs have described the agency as serving as a propaganda tool of the incumbent government.[8][7][23] I wonder how long such a description of a US news outlet like CNN, Fox, NYT or WashPo would last on English Wikipedia.
The NYT isn't a propaganda tool of the incumbent government; they are the mouthpiece of the establishment, which is different.
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#34On January 18 2012, Wikipedia went black to draw attention to SOPA [0], a bill they described as one that "could fatally damage the free and open Internet". Since then, we've seen a slow and steady march in the direction we all dreaded. Country after country has decided that they have the right to block content on the "free and open Internet", and business after business (even those who joined the SOPA protests) has…
> Have governments become more authoritarian? It's not just governments. It's people that support grandiose efforts against "misinformation", "disinformation" and "malinformation". > Or has our energy for resistance just been slowly whittled away? People don't have energy to hear wrong and dangerous opinions anymore. Everything dangerous to the current order should be banned, otherwise fascism is inevitable.
Do you think that there's a link between an extreme proliferation of misinformation and people wanting to control it?
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#35Does the WMF have any presence in India? Why don't they just ignore the ruling?
All of Wikipedia would likely be banned which, I assume, they want to avoid.
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#36Thank you. We're seeing a far more insidious and accelerating nationalization and politicization of reality. A very dangerous world ahead.
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
If the court order specifies that it be taken down worldwide, and the court order isn't definitely illegal according to Indian law, and the Wikimedia Foundation has operations in India that they want to preserve, they may not have a choice.
I don't think that the Indian court has legitimacy to block the article to be displayed worldwide. It has no jurisdicition for the citizens of all other countries and also no jurisdiction against content that is not hosted in India. But I guess that it was maybe more convenient for the wikimedia foundation to do it like that instead of doing geofencing that they might not have?
This is something I've been curious about for a while. GDPR, IIUC, makes an EU law apply to things that happen inside the US (for example, EU person flies to the US and uses Facebook on US-housed servers with data stored in the US, GDPR apparently considers that in-scope for the law).
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#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why is following other countries' laws viewed as "abandoning all principles"? A few days ago Linux removed all Russian maintainers to follow US laws. Has the Linux Foundation abandoned all principles? Should they have fought the US government?
US laws is not “other countries” laws. Linus lives in US. … and Finland is on the same side as US anyway, might have similar views. Btw. Did Linux ban all Russian speaking people or Russian citizen or people with Russian IP addresses?
The intent was to remove people of any nationality who work for Russian companies from being kernel maintainers. The way they rolled that out didn't match their intent, though.
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Have governments become more authoritarian? It's not just governments. It's people that support grandiose efforts against "misinformation", "disinformation" and "malinformation". > Or has our energy for resistance just been slowly whittled away? People don't have energy to hear wrong and dangerous opinions anymore. Everything dangerous to the current order should be banned, otherwise fascism is inevitable.
Do you think that there's a link between an extreme proliferation of misinformation and people wanting to control it?
No.
Media has always been salacious nonsense — at least, judging from the 1880s English newspapers I’ve read as part of a research writing class: they’re full of complete lies about Jack the Ripper, for instance.
Most of the discussion from government is using that perennial fact to justify suppressing true information — eg, suppressing the Hunter Biden laptop story or people’s personal experiences with the COVID vaccine. Even though that collapsed both trust in media and trust in medical institutions.
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#40https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_News_International covers the lawsuit as well. "In July 2024, ANI filed a lawsuit against Wikimedia Foundation in the Delhi High Court — claiming to have been defamed in its article on Wikipedia — and sought ₹2 crore (US$240,000) in damages.[16][17][18] On 5 September, the Court threatened to hold Wikimedia guilty of contempt for failing to disclose information about the editors…
No. You read the statements right. Indian judges tend to give such statements, sometimes even worse. For example, recently one judge in unrelated case gave a statement that “criminalising marital rape is bit harsh”. The main problem in this case is that Wikimedia hasn’t complied YET with high court orders of revealing people who did the edits. ANI just went ahead and filed contempt of court case before Wiki legal tea…
This. They're following the Orban-Erdogan-Harper (International Democratic Union) playbook - purge the judiciary of independent judges, control the news media, and open culture-war fronts to distract and sap the strength of opposition while riling up your base. The situation in the world's largest democracy is a very dire one.