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Re: Wikipedia article blocked worldwide by Delhi high court

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Post by stoperaticless »

greatgib wrote: post #14
jprete wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the court order specifies that it be taken down worldwide, and the court order isn't definitely illegal according to Indian law, and the Wikimedia Foundation has operations in India that they want to preserve, they may not have a choice.

I don't think that the Indian court has legitimacy to block the article to be displayed worldwide. It has no jurisdicition for the citizens of all other countries and also no jurisdiction against content that is not hosted in India. But I guess that it was maybe more convenient for the wikimedia foundation to do it like that instead of doing geofencing that they might not have?

You want operate in country X, you must comply with country X laws or be ready to be percecuted. (From notice, to confiscation of servers, to executions; depends on the X and how inconvenient you are)

Re: Wikipedia article blocked worldwide by Delhi high court

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Post by LudwigNagasena »

lolinder wrote: post #17

On January 18 2012, Wikipedia went black to draw attention to SOPA [0], a bill they described as one that "could fatally damage the free and open Internet". Since then, we've seen a slow and steady march in the direction we all dreaded. Country after country has decided that they have the right to block content on the "free and open Internet", and business after business (even those who joined the SOPA protests) has…

> Have governments become more authoritarian?

It's not just governments. It's people that support grandiose efforts against "misinformation", "disinformation" and "malinformation".

> Or has our energy for resistance just been slowly whittled away?

People don't have energy to hear wrong and dangerous opinions anymore. Everything dangerous to the current order should be banned, otherwise fascism is inevitable.

Re: Wikipedia article blocked worldwide by Delhi high court

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Post by chx »

okasaki wrote: post #20
ivanmontillam wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's need to end.

But when the US government orders a Taiwanese company to stop selling chips to a Chinese company that's just fine right?

They don't quite do that.

You will notice they only order US companies to do so.

ASML, however, abides by U.S. export control regulations because that was a requirement for the approval of the acquisition of SVG.

Everything flows from there.

Re: Wikipedia article blocked worldwide by Delhi high court

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Post by stoperaticless »

okasaki wrote: post #19
mouse_ wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get that pulling out of India would be an incredibly difficult move to even consider. But abandoning all principles should be as well.

Why is following other countries' laws viewed as "abandoning all principles"? A few days ago Linux removed all Russian maintainers to follow US laws. Has the Linux Foundation abandoned all principles? Should they have fought the US government?

US laws is not “other countries” laws. Linus lives in US.

… and Finland is on the same side as US anyway, might have similar views.

Btw. Did Linux ban all Russian speaking people or Russian citizen or people with Russian IP addresses?

Re: Wikipedia article blocked worldwide by Delhi high court

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Post by [deleted] »

fwipsy wrote: post #15

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_News_International covers the lawsuit as well. "In July 2024, ANI filed a lawsuit against Wikimedia Foundation in the Delhi High Court — claiming to have been defamed in its article on Wikipedia — and sought ₹2 crore (US$240,000) in damages.[16][17][18] On 5 September, the Court threatened to hold Wikimedia guilty of contempt for failing to disclose information about the editors…

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Re: Wikipedia article blocked worldwide by Delhi high court

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Post by praveen9920 »

fwipsy wrote: post #15

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_News_International covers the lawsuit as well. "In July 2024, ANI filed a lawsuit against Wikimedia Foundation in the Delhi High Court — claiming to have been defamed in its article on Wikipedia — and sought ₹2 crore (US$240,000) in damages.[16][17][18] On 5 September, the Court threatened to hold Wikimedia guilty of contempt for failing to disclose information about the editors…

No. You read the statements right. Indian judges tend to give such statements, sometimes even worse. For example, recently one judge in unrelated case gave a statement that “criminalising marital rape is bit harsh”.

The main problem in this case is that Wikimedia hasn’t complied YET with high court orders of revealing people who did the edits. ANI just went ahead and filed contempt of court case before Wiki legal team could respond. I’m not sure if initial order came with some sort of deadline or not. I guess they are trying to leverage the delay in their favour.

In my opinion, ANI and many media houses in India are partially controlled by incumbent party ( BJP ) either by incentives or manipulation, you can read about Income tax raid on BBC and some other media outlets for understanding their methods.

Re: Wikipedia article blocked worldwide by Delhi high court

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Post by [deleted] »

okasaki wrote: post #19
mouse_ wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get that pulling out of India would be an incredibly difficult move to even consider. But abandoning all principles should be as well.

Why is following other countries' laws viewed as "abandoning all principles"? A few days ago Linux removed all Russian maintainers to follow US laws. Has the Linux Foundation abandoned all principles? Should they have fought the US government?

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Re: Wikipedia article blocked worldwide by Delhi high court

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Post by einpoklum »

> Long-form reports by The Caravan and The Ken, along with reports by other media watchdogs have described the agency as serving as a propaganda tool of the incumbent government.[8][7][23]

I wonder how long such a description of a US news outlet like CNN, Fox, NYT or WashPo would last on English Wikipedia.

Re: Wikipedia article blocked worldwide by Delhi high court

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Post by endgame »

lolinder wrote: post #17

On January 18 2012, Wikipedia went black to draw attention to SOPA [0], a bill they described as one that "could fatally damage the free and open Internet". Since then, we've seen a slow and steady march in the direction we all dreaded. Country after country has decided that they have the right to block content on the "free and open Internet", and business after business (even those who joined the SOPA protests) has…

> Have governments become more authoritarian?

Judging by the various misinformation legislation they're rushing to adopt, yes. The free internet said too many things that powerful people didn't like.

An Australian example: https://x.com/SenatorRennick/status/1834455727764869593#m

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