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Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Post by adham-omran »

sourcepluck wrote: post #251
sfn42 wrote: post #61

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Are you implying that JetBrains ides are not competent? Compared to their alternatives like Eclipse, Visual Studio etc I think they're a huge step up. If you're a fan of simpler tools like vim, emacs or vscode etc I can see that they may not be to your taste, but I think their products are great. They're easy to get started with, powerful when you learn to use them, relatively bug free and I'd say they significantly…

I think that may very well be the first time ever I hear Emacs called a "simple tool"! :L

It could be said that all it does is one task, interpret Emacs Lisp, thus simple

Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Post by recursive »

n_plus_1_acc wrote: post #240
fuzzy2 wrote: post #126

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I mean, yes, VS Code certainly is great and all, but… > It's probably 70% of what VS on Windows is no. From my perspective, it doesn’t even have 50% of VS features, and that’s probably a generous estimation. VS has lots and lots of features. Granted, many of them are irrelevant for most users most of the time. Even Rider is lacking in comparison. It is very limited regarding debugging targets for example.

As a regulär Jetbrains products user, I was shocked when I first has to use VS. Until today, I haven't figured out how to open a class by name (from any assembly), other than writing they name in code ans strl-clicking it.

With my key-bindings it's ctrl+comma. I'm genuinely curious though. How did you figure out how to do it in Rider?

Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Post by recursive »

andybak wrote: post #171
wokwokwok wrote: post #56

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What fan boy nonsense is this? The VSC support for c# is miles behind visual studio. Rider isn’t as good either, but it’s certainly better than VSC. Are you heavily using typescript with a bit of c# or a really tiny code base? This comment is incomprehensible to me. Do you never refactor code? There are a lot of sophisticated things you can’t do with VSC. It’s a great editor; but not for c#. The benefit of using it i…

If Visual Studio has better support for C# than Rider, why does Resharper exist? Not trying to start an argument - I've never used Visual Studio with C# (I was a PyCharm user when I started learning Unity so Rider was an obvious choice) but I always assumed that Rider was better - because it was managing to survive as a paid product so it must have had an edge.

> why does Resharper exist?

I've wondered this for a long time. Last time I looked at the feature list, it seemed to consist mostly of stuff that was already in VS. The rest was stuff for which I could not fathom any practical utility.

Some people love it. When I've asked them why, they mention features that are in VS, but they just didn't know it.

So if you figure it out, let me know.

Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Post by kazinator »

adham-omran wrote: post #341
sourcepluck wrote: post #251

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I think that may very well be the first time ever I hear Emacs called a "simple tool"! :L

It could be said that all it does is one task, interpret Emacs Lisp, thus simple

But then we would have difficulty explaining why that one task takes 300,000 lines of C.

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Post by grujicd »

russelg wrote: post #319
grujicd wrote: post #314

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Can it open VS solution and project files?

Of course it can, that's the baseline for a VS competitor lol

Well VS Code can’t open sone of VS project types, more specifically it couldn’t open the one based on JS and JS build tools. I’ll check with Rider.

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Post by ozim »

bhandziuk wrote: post #274
ozim wrote: post #257

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I think parent has an issue where at first he develops something he thinks he won't sell but later it turns out he has opportunity to make money on it. My take would be, when decision to earn money one should buy the license for sure. I don't think you can somehow pay for previous use and I expect no one will hold it against you. But at the same time if you "develop non commercially" and you know you will be trying t…

I think an unsuccessful commercial venture is still a commercial venture.

In my comment I am fully giving into that you can write OSS lib or some free to use tool with no intent to monetize and then suddenly you have to change it.

Not that I believe in that scenario.

Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Post by sfn42 »

sourcepluck wrote: post #251
sfn42 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you implying that JetBrains ides are not competent? Compared to their alternatives like Eclipse, Visual Studio etc I think they're a huge step up. If you're a fan of simpler tools like vim, emacs or vscode etc I can see that they may not be to your taste, but I think their products are great. They're easy to get started with, powerful when you learn to use them, relatively bug free and I'd say they significantly…

I think that may very well be the first time ever I hear Emacs called a "simple tool"! :L

I don't really know anything about it. In my mind it's similar to vim or vscode, a text editor where you can add lots of functionality but without the customization it probably doesn't do that much useful stuff for you.

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Post by pjmlp »

madeofpalk wrote: post #248
urbandw311er wrote: post #245

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Actually you should take a look at Rider in that case. It’s about 120% of what VS on Windows is! I use it as my daily IDE for a production .NET back end. You won’t look back I promise.

It is embarrassing (for Microsoft) how much better Rider is for C# than Visual Studio.

To this day there is now Visual C++ developer experience that is comparable to C++ Builder for GUI development, there was C++/CX for a while (C++/CLI depends on C# for the GUI part), but then it was killed by an internal riot that pushed for the ways of ATL and IDL in the form of C++/WinRT.

C++/CX was deprecated and replaced by C++/WinRT in 2016.

To this day, to develop WinUI C++ applications, there is no built-in tooling in VS, you need to manually generate and merge C++ code out of IDL files, which have zero support on Visual Studio for syntax highlighting and code completion, unless you reach out to some third party plugins.

To top that, given the way things turned out, C++/WinRT is now in maintenance, no goals to ever move it past C++17, or improve Visual Studio developer experience.

I doubt that they feel embarassed by this outcome.

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Post by pjmlp »

billyhoffman wrote: post #63
mananaysiempre wrote: post #47

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Wasn’t VS for Mac a MonoDevelop build with amputated Linux support rather than a version of Visual Studio proper? Or am I out of date on this?

It started that way but wasn’t been for a while. In fact the last version was a rewrite using native macOS controls and optimized for Apple Silicon. Sad to see it go but heard great things about Rider for c# development.

Shortly after the team managed to ship the 1.0 release of the rewrite, what a reward.

Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Post by pjmlp »

Quarrelsome wrote: post #144
terminalbraid wrote: post #3

This is pretty huge all around, especially with Microsoft discontinuing Visual Studio for Mac. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/visualstudio/releases/2022... I'd also like to note the great integration Rider has with Godot and Unity for game development.

> I'd also like to note the great integration Rider has with Godot I wish Godot's syntax for .NET wasn't horrible though. Its so nasty looking that it just makes me want to use their native language instead.

I really don't get why Unity, and now Godot as well, always end up with these magic reflection methods, instead of proper language design.
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