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Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by sangnoir »

rendall wrote: post #54

Israel has a pretty compelling argument. I wish the article had mentioned it. That they did not leads me to believe the article is biased. The argument goes like this: UNIFIL had one mission, which was to disarm and disband any military force in Lebanon south of the Litani River that was not Lebanon's army. UNIFIL has not done this. This is known and well-documented. Hezbollah regularly fires rockets and missiles int…

> UNIFIL has not done this.

...and therefore they deserve to be shot at, maimed or killed?

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by whamlastxmas »

renegade-otter wrote: post #66
dragonwriter wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Israel is a satellite state of the US in all but name. The US is more reflexively pro-Israel than Israel is pro-US in international policy, the opposite of what you’d expect if Israel was a US vassal. > What ive always wondered is why the US hasn't put Israel on the security council There are lots of reasons, but one that renders all the others secondary is that the US can’t add permanent Security Council members .…

Yet Russia, a country the leader of which is wanted for war crimes - is on the permanent Security Council. The whole organization needs to be uprooted and rebuilt. It's become a farce.

Multiple recent American presidents also committed war crimes

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by everforward »

renegade-otter wrote: post #66
dragonwriter wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Israel is a satellite state of the US in all but name. The US is more reflexively pro-Israel than Israel is pro-US in international policy, the opposite of what you’d expect if Israel was a US vassal. > What ive always wondered is why the US hasn't put Israel on the security council There are lots of reasons, but one that renders all the others secondary is that the US can’t add permanent Security Council members .…

Yet Russia, a country the leader of which is wanted for war crimes - is on the permanent Security Council. The whole organization needs to be uprooted and rebuilt. It's become a farce.

Russia is there because they wouldn’t even come to the table otherwise, and it’s more valuable to have a hobbled organization than one that doesn’t include significant powers. The others don’t have permanent slots because they joined when they had less power, or they never gained enough power to bargain.

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by id00 »

Is that the same UN that has its secretary-general António Guterres shaking hands with Putin and Lukashenko this week?

Let's be honest, UN is one of the most useless organization in the world (and been for a while, look at history of their Africa operations). By now their presense on ground with inability to actually do anything or help anybody is a liability (eg can't stop Hezbollah from launching rockets and using them as a shield)

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by lostmsu »

krunck wrote: post #62
erentz wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hezbollah has launched over 10,000 rockets at Israel since Oct 7 last year. While under the watch of the UN. But apparently Israel is supposed to just do nothing about it and accept it going on for as long as Hezbollah likes. Absolutely no other country on this planet would. So many people seem to have a special set of double standards they apply to Israel for some reason.

Which attack came first? Who is responding to who? It just doesn't matter any more. Hezbollah and Israel need to calm the fuck down. And one more thing. I get to criticize the living fuck out of Israel because as an American I am paying for most of it's weapons.

> Which attack came first? Who is responding to who? It just doesn't matter any more.

As a fellow taxpayer, fuck no. As the initiator, Hezbollah can stop shooting the rockets at any moment, give up the Oct 2023 attackers and everyone actively involved. I don't see why that wouldn't stop Israel from going further.

This can not work for Israel, because they are responsible for bringing these fucks to justice.

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by michtzik »

sterlind wrote: post #39
tyleo wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“You don’t get to shoot through human shields.” I don’t have a POV w.r.t. this conflict, but I’d like to understand what you mean by this statement generally. In the extreme it seems to imply, “if you have a human shield you are invincible.” It’s a messed-up calculus to have to make but I feel like there must be some middle ground.

My view is the ethnicity of the human shields in question shouldn't factor into your decision making. You shouldn't shoot through an Egyptian aid worker or Lebanese child if you wouldn't have shot through an Israeli hostage in their place.

I suppose you're suggesting that one shouldn't value "us" over "them". Is a logical extension of this that you shouldn't shoot someone else if you wouldn't shoot yourself?

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by jedimind »

lowkey_ wrote: post #38
tdeck wrote: post #37

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Wait till you find out where the mossad HQ is located!

It's a fair target to hit then — on both sides, military operations are fair to hit. It just hasn't happened to the Mossad HQ, despite attempts.

you think that's the narrative Israel and its allies would go with? Never.

Israel and its allies would cry and whine as if a second holocaust occurred. They would pretend like they haven't done something similar thousands of times before to their enemies and that this retaliation on the Mossad HQ is some sort of uniquely evil and unprecedented event in human history.

Israelis always prefer using the most absurd victim narratives possible. Only Israel can be the biggest bully while also roleplaying as the biggest victim, but it's not surprising considering that even the mossad's motto[0] is "By way of deception you shall engage in war."

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/By_Way_of_Deception

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by tzs »

Cyph0n wrote: post #63
tzs wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you think the Israeli response to Oct 7 should have been?

Feel free to share your objections to what I wrote. Unfortunately, it is hard to discern legitimate interest vs. someone wanting to engage in a debate for the sake of it. And I am not interested in wasting my time figuring out which is the case.

I did not say or imply that I have objections to what you wrote.

Your comment strongly implied that you think that Israel overreacted to Oct 7. So I am curious what you think their response should have been.

> Unfortunately, it is hard to discern legitimate interest vs. someone wanting to engage in a debate for the sake of it. And I am not interested in wasting my time figuring out which is the case.

Is curiosity "legitimate interest"?

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by SauciestGNU »

whamlastxmas wrote: post #72
renegade-otter wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yet Russia, a country the leader of which is wanted for war crimes - is on the permanent Security Council. The whole organization needs to be uprooted and rebuilt. It's become a farce.

Multiple recent American presidents also committed war crimes

The set of American presidents who haven't would be more easily enumerable/null.

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by jedimind »

aaomidi wrote: post #26
Teever wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And if you compare what Russia has done in the same time frame?

Israel is has killed more innocent civilians in a year than the entire Russia Ukraine war fwiw

you are perfectly correct, you are being downvoted because zionists hate facts that poke holes in their false narratives.
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