Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted

Post by aguaviva » Thu, Oct 24, 2024, 4:30 PM UTC

nataliste wrote: post #145

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The fact that you need to dial back to 1823 to make some kind of moral equivalence argument between the two powers should be telling you something. And then we have this: The West wants to permanently de-fang and colonize Russia for obvious reasons -- geopolitical hegemony and market intrusion. Which in your view is the basic reason we have the war in Ukraine right now, is what I'm hearing.

>The fact that you need to dial back to 1823 to make some kind of moral equivalence argument between the two powers should be telling you something. Libya was in 2011. Iraq was in 2003. Afghanistan in 2001. I can go backwards to 1823, solely for the United States (and accordingly NATO). >Which is what you reason to be the basic reason we have the war in Ukraine right now, is what I'm hearing. The basic reason are fun…

Post by pphysch » Thu, Oct 24, 2024, 4:34 PM UTC

scoofy wrote: post #152

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You can't invoke "international norms" and then in the very next paragraph "but no talking about precedent, that would be whataboutism". Norms are established through precedents. There are considerable precedents in the 21st century that military invasions DO NOT lead to international sanctions. So this isn't a valid argument, and it's true that that decision was emotional and politically motivated.

It’s a perfectly valid argument. All invasions are generally bad, some worse than others. And, yes, some perpetrators of unjust invasions are punished worse than others. The idea that you turn a conversation about fairness for victims into a conversation about fairness for bullies means you don’t actually care about victims.

Post by scoofy » Thu, Oct 24, 2024, 4:39 PM UTC

pphysch wrote: post #153

scoofy wrote: post #152

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It’s a perfectly valid argument. All invasions are generally bad, some worse than others. And, yes, some perpetrators of unjust invasions are punished worse than others. The idea that you turn a conversation about fairness for victims into a conversation about fairness for bullies means you don’t actually care about victims.

> And, yes, some perpetrators of unjust invasions are punished worse than others. In other words, there are no norms or standards for handling these situations. It's purely political.

Post by gn4d » Thu, Oct 24, 2024, 4:59 PM UTC

mipsi wrote: post #154

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Didn't you just complain about Linus being rude?

Post by aguaviva » Thu, Oct 24, 2024, 5:12 PM UTC

nataliste wrote: post #156

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"The US did something bad, therefore if Russia also does something bad (even if not really comparable) then it's just the fundamental realities of IR, and in fact the US basically made them do it" is how your thesis currently reads.

This is more of a you problem than a me problem. Perhaps you should try not to reduce arguments to less than 200 characters, but I suspect it's uncontrollable due to longterm Twitter usage given your particular patois.