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Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted

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Re: Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted

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It'd be nice to list what those "various compliance requirements" are on a public open source project.

At least part of that might very well be illegal.

Please see the legal reason in the sibling comment.

Re: Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted

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> One could make the identical argument for the other world power No, one couldn’t.

I know this will get flagged and I'll get called a Russian despite being an American from flyover country: Yes, one definitely can tenably make that argument.

The Monroe Doctrine, ironically, was precipitated by negotiations with Russia[1] and is almost identical in its aims for the Western Hemisphere as Putin's nominal arguments against NATO expansion eastward, namely the assertion that the Western Hemisphere was closed to European colonization and settlement.

Is this Putin talking about NATO expansion? 'Finally, you have broader considerations that might follow what you would call the "falling domino" principle. You have a row of dominoes set up, you knock over the first one, and what will happen to the last one is the certainty that it will go over very quickly. So you could have a beginning of a disintegration that would have the most profound influences.' No, it's Dwight Eisenhower talking about communism in Indochina in 1954. The maxims "Principiis obsta" and "Finem respice" apply universally.

The Monroe Doctrine and Domino Theory were both framed as defensive policies that were then used for protectionist and geopolitical justifications for foreign wars of aggression against neighbors and neutral independent countries. Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya didn't even have the protection of these broader geopolitical aims, just naked warmongering and profiteering (Osama Bin Laden was Saudi).

The necessity for narratives of moral exceptionalism to maintain a permanently jingoist state is to be expected, but it'd be healthier for the intelligentsia to privately admit that fact rather than hiding behind moral exceptionalism even in their personal lives. The West wants to permanently de-fang and colonize Russia for obvious reasons--geopoltical hegemony and market intrusion. These reasons create a perennial playbook everyone else has played by for thousands of years. And I'm sure when NATO does inevitably fail to a novel power, the remnants will play by the same rules Monroe and Putin played by, sed Carthago delenda est.[3]

[1] https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/monroe-doctrine

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domino_theory

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carthago_delenda_est

Re: Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted

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Reposting from a duplicate discussion. Communicating clearly that you cannot currently accept contributions from people potentially associated with problematic businesses is an understandable decision. Tone of voice stated following the removal of a list of names of people you used to work with not too long makes this sound like a petty statement if anything.

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Re: Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted

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US spends billions on paid propaganda. https://responsiblestatecraft.org/china-cold-war-2669160202/

Cool, this post and discussion is about Russia though.

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Re: Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted

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> One could make the identical argument for the other world power No, one couldn’t.

I know this will get flagged and I'll get called a Russian despite being an American from flyover country: Yes, one definitely can tenably make that argument. The Monroe Doctrine, ironically, was precipitated by negotiations with Russia[1] and is almost identical in its aims for the Western Hemisphere as Putin's nominal arguments against NATO expansion eastward, namely the assertion that the Western Hemisphere was cl…

I think we have to look at the intentions of NATO. Has it ever been to take over and enslave another nation like Putin’s? I’m not talking about colonial Europe or America, I’m talking about the last 70-80 years, roughly the average lifetime of a human. Now look at the history of Russia in that time frame, aggression after aggression, belligerence the whole time with its neighbors.

Re: Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted

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> One could make the identical argument for the other world power No, one couldn’t.

I know this will get flagged and I'll get called a Russian despite being an American from flyover country: Yes, one definitely can tenably make that argument. The Monroe Doctrine, ironically, was precipitated by negotiations with Russia[1] and is almost identical in its aims for the Western Hemisphere as Putin's nominal arguments against NATO expansion eastward, namely the assertion that the Western Hemisphere was cl…

The fact that you need to dial back to 1823 to make some kind of moral equivalence argument between the two powers should be telling you something. And then we have this:

The West wants to permanently de-fang and colonize Russia for obvious reasons -- geopolitical hegemony and market intrusion.

Which in your view is the basic reason we have the war in Ukraine right now, is what I'm hearing.

Re: Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted

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Russia spends hundreds of millions on propaganda (paid trolls), sabotage, and espionage. There is lot of cases for Article 4 of NATO already. It's better to say sorry than to risk millions of lives.

US spends billions on paid propaganda. https://responsiblestatecraft.org/china-cold-war-2669160202/

Whataboutism?!? Is a thread critical of Russia? How is it possible?
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