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Give some Nouns which is not "cause deaths"
Murder app?
Can A.I. be blamed for a teen's suicide?
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Re: Can A.I. be blamed for a teen's suicide?
#112The NYT article [0] gives only one line to perhaps the most important and tragic fact about this suicide: the teenager had access to his father’s gun. If the gun was properly secured it is very likely he would still be alive [1]. [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/23/technology/characterai-la... [1] https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matter/means-matter/youth...
What an insanely ridiculous take. If someone wanted to kill themselves, the family medicine cabinet offers plenty of easy options. Please do not derail this serious and needed discussion unto your pet topic. This has nothing to do with guns.
> If someone wanted to kill themselves, the family medicine cabinet offers plenty of easy options.
Define 'easy'. Most people who attempt to poison themselves fail.
Re: Can A.I. be blamed for a teen's suicide?
#113"Sewell, like many children his age, did not have the maturity or mental capacity to understand that the C.AI bot, in the form of Daenerys, was not real" How? Seriously, how? Maybe it's wishful thinking on my part -- but I grew up before AI and chatbots, and I'm certain I would understand it isn't real. I'm baffled by people engaging with these things for entertainment/companionship purposes.
I mean, half the commentators on this here orange website do not appear to _really_ understand that LLMs do not think. And at least in principle you'd expect this community to have a better grasp of it than laypeople.
"Artificial intelligence" is itself a rather misleading term, and it's arguably unfortunate that it was brought back from the dead to describe this sort of thing (for most of the 21st century it was rarely used for AI-ish things in marketing, with the term 'ML' preferred as a coverall, presumably due to fallout from the 90s AI bubble collapse).
Re: Can A.I. be blamed for a teen's suicide?
#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, my question is why was he able to get ahold of his step father's handgun. Secure your firearms people! It should be law in my opinion.
How is the pistol to be blamed for merely existing? It has no agency.
The device itself obviously can't be blamed. The manufacturer, the owner, the seller, and the regulators who allowed it to be sold arguably do bear some responsibility, though. In something like this, there's rarely one party who's solely responsible.
(Similarly, the LLM itself obviously cannot bear any responsibility, but the vendor might.)
Re: Can A.I. be blamed for a teen's suicide?
#115So, a 14 year old having access unsupervised to a chat bot is the problem, but the fact he had access to a gun to shoot himself was halfway through the article and described as his five year old brother "hearing the gunshot". "Man bites dog" as Terry Pratchett put it in "Times". And to explain to more literal folk here... A 14 year old having access to a gun is FUCKING INSANE
Both are concerns; responsibility for this sort of thing is rarely entirely on one party.
Re: Can A.I. be blamed for a teen's suicide?
#116So, a 14 year old having access unsupervised to a chat bot is the problem, but the fact he had access to a gun to shoot himself was halfway through the article and described as his five year old brother "hearing the gunshot". "Man bites dog" as Terry Pratchett put it in "Times". And to explain to more literal folk here... A 14 year old having access to a gun is FUCKING INSANE
I mean, yes. We're talking about the US, after all, the only free country in the Western world that explicitly defines liberty as a function of gun violence in its Constitution. Access to guns is never the problem. It can never be the problem and it will never be the problem. It must never be the problem.
>explicitly defines liberty as a function of gun violence in its Constitution
That's not what it says or means. The right to keep and bear arms is explicity for self defence which is to prevent violence and protect.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Re: Can A.I. be blamed for a teen's suicide?
#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you read the script you see the bot talking him into it. "Unknowingly" of course, in that the bot doesn't really know anything and was just agreeing with him. But it's obvious that a real human would have realized that something was really off with his line of thinking and encouraging it would not be a good idea. OTOH we have examples of real humans typing "DO IT FA*OT" on livestreams. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Sorry, it seems I was carrying over knowledge from another article with additional transcripts. The bot had previously discouraged him when he explicitly talked about suicide (here's an article that mentions that: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/characterai-lawsuit-florida-tee... ). It failed to detect that phrases like "coming home" were also references to suicide and therefore responded encouragingly.
And it probably failed to detect the true meaning of "coming home" because suicide seems to only have been discussed in a different chat session.
In the earlier chat session, being more explicit, the bot seemed to attempt to talk the user out of self-harming behaviour.
Re: Can A.I. be blamed for a teen's suicide?
#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
More women attempt suicide, but more men successfully complete the attempt. The reason is because men often choose more lethal methods like guns, where more women choose less lethal methods like drugs. When talking about how to help reduce suicide it's not unreasonable to discuss methods. Also, I doubt most medicine cabinets have lethal doses of drugs, but I don't have any data to back up that assumption. If this per…
No, the reason that more men succeed in committing suicide is because the men who try are actually serious about it. Women who "attempt suicide" are often sending out a cry for help. The people who half-heartedly try something need and want the attention. They want to make a mess and have people rush in and care for them. They want to put a punctuation mark on the drama that is occurring in their life and elicit some…
I fail to see why this is downvoted. Many suicide attempts, especially by women, are obviously not serious but rather a cry for help. This is well-known and obvious to anyone having experience with these patients.
Male suicide attempts are on average more serious and generally a lot more succesful. And that is with or without access to guns.
Re: Can A.I. be blamed for a teen's suicide?
#119It seems like there was a long, downward spiral associated with this child’s use of character.ai that the parents were aware of, had him sent to therapy over, etc. My question here is, what the hell were the parents doing, not removing this obviously destructive intrusion in his life? This reads to me the same as if he had been using drugs but the parents didn’t take away his stash or his paraphernalia. For the sake…
We had a similar situation in our family and we tried teaching mindful screen habits. We still lost because we couldn’t do anything about the school screen (chromebook). If we took that away at home it just provided an excuse for not doing schoolwork. We contacted teachers about our child downloading and watching anime and playing games all day in school. They wouldn’t/couldn’t do anything. We requested that the scho…
My wife is an educator.
Asking teachers to switch to paper assignments might not be feasible depending on the curriculum they're being asked to teach against, number of students in the classroom (I'm going to assume that your kid is in a public school; class sizes have been increasing due to funding cuts), books that they're using, etc.
For example: one of the classes my wife taught years ago was designed around an online LMS. All quizzes, learning checks, exams and practice was done on this platform. Some of her students didn't have access to a computer at home. They would either be given a loaner or were given instructions on how to obtain one from the local library. In this situation, switching to paper grading was not possible.
Re: Can A.I. be blamed for a teen's suicide?
#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
What an insanely ridiculous take. If someone wanted to kill themselves, the family medicine cabinet offers plenty of easy options. Please do not derail this serious and needed discussion unto your pet topic. This has nothing to do with guns.
You don’t think opportunity plays a role here? Let me ask you this. If you leave your wallet filled to the brim with cash on a park bench somewhere, do you think the likelyhood increases that it will get stolen, compared to if it’s in your pocket?
Try it in Saudi Arabia. https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-there-is-no-crime-in-S...
That you accept theft as a daily norm is a failure of your society already. It was not always so, and it need not be so. Suicide is the same. And the proper way to address it is not to put everyone in a padded room with no access to pills or guns or knives.