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Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted

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Re: Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted

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post #16

Ahh, old one "anyone who disagrees with me is a Russian state sponsored troll". If he had just written - compliance, we cannot work with sanctioned entities, that would be fine and understandable.

Russia spends hundreds of millions on propaganda (paid trolls), sabotage, and espionage. There is lot of cases for Article 4 of NATO already. It's better to say sorry than to risk millions of lives.

This could have still been explained just by providing the legal requirements that led to the decision.

Re: Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted

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post #14

Reposting from a duplicate discussion. Communicating clearly that you cannot currently accept contributions from people potentially associated with problematic businesses is an understandable decision. Tone of voice stated following the removal of a list of names of people you used to work with not too long makes this sound like a petty statement if anything.

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Re: Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted

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Greg puts in the article the way it is

And if anyone thinks a Finn of all people would buy any BS or sad tears from their "annoying" neighbour (to put it mildly) you need to read up on some history

Of course in the end it sucks for a lot of people that has nothing to do with it.

Re: Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted

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> So Linus exposed his Russophoby Is it irrational to not accept the work of individuals who work for sanctioned orgs, in a country which claims to have no borders, and threatens to attack the West with nuclear weapons every couple months? > Sometimes you need a hit in the head to understand the reality. Please expand on exactly what you mean by this.

Yet you have no issues doing business with Saudi Arabia where they had ties with international Islamic terrorism...

Or China, Venezuela (both left and right parties, at least from Spain)...

End the stage performance, please. We all know it's all about money and power.

Re: Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted

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post #16

Ahh, old one "anyone who disagrees with me is a Russian state sponsored troll". If he had just written - compliance, we cannot work with sanctioned entities, that would be fine and understandable.

Why bring corporate lingo into an open source project though

Re: Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted

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Is this being done as a sanction against Russia or because it is feared that the Russian government would get some rogue developers to submit code to the kernel that enables attacks? Individual Russian programmers are not responsible for the invasion of Ukraine, so I would be reluctant to punish them for Putin's crime and to deprive Linux of their contributions.

> Individual Russian programmers are not responsible for the invasion of Ukraine, so I would be reluctant to punish them for Putin's crime and to deprive Linux of their contributions.

True, but individual Russian programmers are not free of Putin's influence, and could be compelled to do undesirable things.

The day after the invasion of Ukraine, my employer locked out all contractors we employed who resided in Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus. They got their access back once they relocated to a non-combatant country, which most of them did in short order. That probably also saved many of their lives, since it meant they escaped the draft.

Re: Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted

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post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He covers this in TFA: > And FYI for the actual innocent bystanders who aren't troll farm accounts - the "various compliance requirements" are not just a US thing.

It'd be nice to list what those "various compliance requirements" are on a public open source project.

Not open source specific, but:

> Treasury, in consultation with the Department of State, has issued a new determination under Executive Order (E.O.) 14071, which prohibits the supply to any person in the Russian Federation of (1) IT consultancy and design services; and (2) IT support services and cloud-based services for enterprise management software and design and manufacturing software. The determination will take effect on September 12, 2024.

https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy2404#:~:text....

Re: Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted

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post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So Linus exposed his Russophoby Is it irrational to not accept the work of individuals who work for sanctioned orgs, in a country which claims to have no borders, and threatens to attack the West with nuclear weapons every couple months? > Sometimes you need a hit in the head to understand the reality. Please expand on exactly what you mean by this.

Yet you have no issues doing business with Saudi Arabia where they had ties with international Islamic terrorism... Or China, Venezuela (both left and right parties, at least from Spain)... End the stage performance, please. We all know it's all about money and power.

You have made a lot of assumptions my friend. I personally have issues with all authoritarian countries, including the ones you mentioned.

> End the stage performance, please. We all know it's all about money and power.

You are ridiculously incorrect. For me, it is about freedom, democracy, and the right to continue breathing. I currently live a few hundred km from the war in Europe. Russian state media threatens to invade my country of residence every month or so.

Every time I go to the grocery store, I see Ukrainian refugee mothers and their children trying to survive. It is real here, not some theoretical far-away thing that my edgelord friends and I get to pontificate about online.

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