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Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted

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Re: Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted

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Post by songkeys »

Open source communities are similar to communism in that they are practices of an ideal state (Utopia; Republic). It takes a philosopher king to rule behind the good. But it is hard to have a ruler with the qualities of a philosopher king.

There is a term for open source software: BDFL (benevolent dictator for life). At Wikepedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benevolent_dictator_for_life ), Linus is included. But the virtue of being benevolent is too difficult to ensure and maintain.

Re: Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted

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Post by consumer451 »

llm_trw wrote: post #23
ruthmarx wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, it's likely not just deflection/paranoia in his case.

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He covers this in TFA:

> And FYI for the actual innocent bystanders who aren't troll farm accounts - the "various compliance requirements" are not just a US thing.

Re: Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted

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Post by consumer451 »

vbezhenar wrote: post #20

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> So Linus exposed his Russophoby

Is it irrational to not accept the work of individuals who work for sanctioned orgs, in a country which claims to have no borders, and threatens to attack the West with nuclear weapons every couple months?

> Sometimes you need a hit in the head to understand the reality.

Please expand on exactly what you mean by this.

Re: Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted

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Post by llm_trw »

consumer451 wrote: post #43
llm_trw wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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He covers this in TFA: > And FYI for the actual innocent bystanders who aren't troll farm accounts - the "various compliance requirements" are not just a US thing.

It'd be nice to list what those "various compliance requirements" are on a public open source project.

Re: Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted

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Post by llm_trw »

ruthmarx wrote: post #39
llm_trw wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because you're replying to my post where I said everyone?

Not a great answer since I was saying your claim specifically didn't apply to him , i.e. one person. Look at the logic of this conversation, a paraphrased version of the actual one we had: --- Submission: Jack the firefighter says x You: All people who say x must be crazy or being paid Me: In this case Jack's claims likely have merit You: So anyone that says x is paid? Where's my check? --- You see how that doesn't t…

Submission: Everyone who disagrees with me is a Russian shill.

Me: It's stupid to claim that everyone who disagrees with you is a Russian shill.

You: Spends five posts aggressively misunderstanding what I've said.

Re: Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted

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Post by Propelloni »

songkeys wrote: post #41

Open source communities are similar to communism in that they are practices of an ideal state (Utopia; Republic). It takes a philosopher king to rule behind the good. But it is hard to have a ruler with the qualities of a philosopher king. There is a term for open source software: BDFL (benevolent dictator for life). At Wikepedia ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benevolent_dictator_for_life ), Linus is included. But t…

That's a wrong conflation. Some successful open source communities and projects are set up with a BDFL, but not all or even many (see your own link). In fact, they are rather special, which is why they garner so much attention .

Re: Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted

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Post by vidarh »

llm_trw wrote: post #21
v1ne wrote: post #8

The article is a snapshot of the discussion that's still happening on the mailing list. Linus later responded with: >No, but I'm not a lawyer, so I'm not going to go into the details that I - and other maintainers - were told by lawyers. >I'm also not going to start discussing legal issues with random internet people who I seriously suspect are paid actors and/or have been riled up by them.

>I'm also not going to start discussing legal issues with random internet people who I seriously suspect are paid actors and/or have been riled up by them. Oh boy, everyone who disagrees with me works for the Kremlin.

> and/or have been riled up by them.

Maybe don't blatantly misrepresent what he wrote, even if you still disagree with it.

Re: Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted

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Post by g-b-r »

llm_trw wrote: post #23
ruthmarx wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, it's likely not just deflection/paranoia in his case.

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Being riled up doesn't mean being paid, there are millions mired in their disinformation and manipulation operations

Re: Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted

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Post by dzeimis »

fromrussiawlove wrote: post #40
quickthrowman wrote: post #17

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He has a point about history. Russia is the reason that Finland still has compulsory military service. Finland is also the only European country bordering Russia (excluding Norway and its small border w Russia) to escape being a Soviet Socialist Republic after WW II. Sure, they allied with Nazi Germany to accomplish that, but they joined the allies against Germany eventually.

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> Kaliningrad Oblast

How is it relevant here?

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