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Goldman and Apple 'illegally sidestepped' obligations to credit-card customers

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Re: Goldman and Apple 'illegally sidestepped' obligations to credit-card customers

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Saying "good job Apple" in the context of payment processing deals is like cheering on a slightly more buff gladiator bashing in the face of his opponent. Both of them intend to fleece the users, they just disagree over who gets priority access. I'm not saying you can't have a favorite gladiator, I'm saying you can't pretend this isn't pugilism.

My Apple Card gives me an entire month to pay off the balance, and I am actively encouraged to keep paying it off throughout the month. The cash back rewards are simple and quickly paid out. There are no late fees. The UI for the software side of it is exceptional. It is by far my favorite credit card.

The cash back rewards is not, as far as I know, actually all that good in comparison to its competitors like American Express. Giving a month to pay off a balance I believe is referred to as a "grace period" which is pretty common place in credit cards. A month is nice, but I believe most cards are usually around 4 weeks. But the UI for the card's online banking is fairly attractive, especially if you're already an iPhone user, which I imagine most Apple card holders would be.

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But you have to click the payments option (and pay the billed amounts). If you put the full balance on your card, you can't ignore it for 12 months and then pay.

So it's only no interest as long as you make payments on time. I guess this is technically misleading advertising? It might also be that it only applied during specific circumstances (buying directly from Apple) instead of as a blanket offer. I've bought a few devices through this deal and personally am a happy customer, so I hope this doesn't kill it.

No, it was a separate payment method called “Apple Card Monthly Installments.” If you just charged a purchase to your Apple Card, it was not an installment payment. That’s probably the confusion the regulators were complaining about.

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Isn't that every credit card? You pay your full balance on time it's essentially a delayed debit card because no interest is paid.

There's actually a term for this: charge card. Some American Express cards still work this way (i.e., you must always pay in full on time).

No. The financing Apple is offering is typically 12 months split into 12 separate payments. That is 0% financing and not a 'charge card' style. You're still getting 11 months of delayed payments, unlike a charge card where everything is due once a month from the previous month of the card.

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THanks, just always have had good user experience in every way with Apple, so getting email notifications one after the other where they said you need to upgrade if you want us to continue backing your stuff up was mildly odd. Yet, in their first communication they didnt mention anything about not getting email yet they did in the third or so email which felt very anti-user to me. As for Apple Intelligence Ive been u…

Apples constant push for subscription icloud data storage is predatory at best. The amount of users/clients I come across with devices way out of date re software/security patches because their iphones not got enough space on it to download its own update and it doesn't provide a easy way to transfer large chunks of data off it like photos/videos is ridiculous. Something like 50% of users easily. Sample size probably…

yeah the whole Apple Intelligence only available to 15 and 16 iPhone users is anti-user / juice profits move.

The horrid thing is Apple Intelligence is not worth upgrading your device for and yet that's their marketing to get people to upgrade lol. As another commenter in this thread commented a comparable ChatGPT Siri is coming yet not for some months.

Definitely would jump to another platform if the phone is an AI sentient like driven phone (new paradigm in phone design / layout where there's not as much UI). So far ChatGPT is my best experience with such an AI and Microsoft who owns what half of Open AI did create pretty good Windows phone back in the day. Maybe it will happen... been wanting such since I first used ChatGPT.

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Uh, Gmail also has usage limits for each tier. I know before I’ve painstakingly removed emails with large attachments just so I can keep receiving my email.

15gb on the free tier...empty your emails folks. This madness of keeping every email is insane. I had a user with 60000 unopened emails on one account just 2 weeks ago. It's like some folks refuse to do basic data/comms house keeping.

I have junk gmail address that gets filtered into my real gmail account (Zunk label instead of Junk) which keeps my real gmail account clean (few to handful of emails a day of things that are meaningful). Ive always have given out my junk gmail address to anyone i dont know personally or do business with.

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There's actually a term for this: charge card. Some American Express cards still work this way (i.e., you must always pay in full on time).

No. The financing Apple is offering is typically 12 months split into 12 separate payments. That is 0% financing and not a 'charge card' style. You're still getting 11 months of delayed payments, unlike a charge card where everything is due once a month from the previous month of the card.

Fair enough, I was just noting that "delayed debit card" has a proper name.

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Or a $100 off coupon for spending over $500?

That's quite generous. I'd assume that of the $19.8 million going back to customers would see at least 60% used as legal fees before seeing distribution resulting in a similar payout to most class action suits

That's one advantage of this being a CFPB action and not the result of a class-action suit.

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Uh, Gmail also has usage limits for each tier. I know before I’ve painstakingly removed emails with large attachments just so I can keep receiving my email.

15gb on the free tier...empty your emails folks. This madness of keeping every email is insane. I had a user with 60000 unopened emails on one account just 2 weeks ago. It's like some folks refuse to do basic data/comms house keeping.

Bush league. https://i.imgur.com/ic0RJXO.png

(Or, what happens when you get an early GMail invite and erroneously think, "Awesome, I have a four-character email address. How cool is that?")

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Marcus still exists in the US. I use them for my savings account. They don't have anything besides that that I know of (checking, brokerage). Current APY 4.1% so as good as you can find in a savings account here.

My American Express savings account gets me an APY of 4.1%, so there's other options, but agree that it seems like either are the best rate I've found in the US.

Apple Savings is 4.1% as well
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