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Goldman and Apple 'illegally sidestepped' obligations to credit-card customers

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Re: Goldman and Apple 'illegally sidestepped' obligations to credit-card customers

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Goldman thought they were going to be able to fleece Apple's customers, but they can't. Good job Apple!

Saying "good job Apple" in the context of payment processing deals is like cheering on a slightly more buff gladiator bashing in the face of his opponent. Both of them intend to fleece the users, they just disagree over who gets priority access. I'm not saying you can't have a favorite gladiator, I'm saying you can't pretend this isn't pugilism.

My Apple Card gives me an entire month to pay off the balance, and I am actively encouraged to keep paying it off throughout the month. The cash back rewards are simple and quickly paid out. There are no late fees. The UI for the software side of it is exceptional.

It is by far my favorite credit card.

Re: Goldman and Apple 'illegally sidestepped' obligations to credit-card customers

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> iCloud storage notifications saying have to upgrade to $9.99 plan to continue to store my photos, videos and even worse if I wanted to continue getting my iCloud emails. What(?), as my Google Photos is still sucking/backing up all the same media (goes back to 2016) for free. LAME Apple especially threat of not getting my iCloud emails!!!! To my knowledge Google will do the same thing if you are running out of space…

THanks, just always have had good user experience in every way with Apple, so getting email notifications one after the other where they said you need to upgrade if you want us to continue backing your stuff up was mildly odd. Yet, in their first communication they didnt mention anything about not getting email yet they did in the third or so email which felt very anti-user to me. As for Apple Intelligence Ive been u…

Yeah, all of that Siri stuff you're trying isn't there yet.

18.1 (the current beta) has minor improvements to Siri for immediate follow up requests and parsing requests where you stumble over words. 18.2 is supposed to be picking up ChatGPT integration so Siri can ask it about things. The "personal context" recall is apparently in 18.4, so we won't see it until next year.

Honestly, 18.1 launching the new Siri UI (the glowy look) feels like a bad idea -- I'd have kept it until 18.4 when the real intelligence improvements actually land.

https://www.macrumors.com/2024/09/22/apple-intelligence-feat...

Re: Goldman and Apple 'illegally sidestepped' obligations to credit-card customers

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> iCloud storage notifications saying have to upgrade to $9.99 plan to continue to store my photos, videos and even worse if I wanted to continue getting my iCloud emails. What(?), as my Google Photos is still sucking/backing up all the same media (goes back to 2016) for free. LAME Apple especially threat of not getting my iCloud emails!!!! To my knowledge Google will do the same thing if you are running out of space…

THanks, just always have had good user experience in every way with Apple, so getting email notifications one after the other where they said you need to upgrade if you want us to continue backing your stuff up was mildly odd. Yet, in their first communication they didnt mention anything about not getting email yet they did in the third or so email which felt very anti-user to me. As for Apple Intelligence Ive been u…

Apples constant push for subscription icloud data storage is predatory at best. The amount of users/clients I come across with devices way out of date re software/security patches because their iphones not got enough space on it to download its own update and it doesn't provide a easy way to transfer large chunks of data off it like photos/videos is ridiculous. Something like 50% of users easily. Sample size probably upwards of 50. They get constantly harassed by crap asking them to buy icloud storage.

Re: Goldman and Apple 'illegally sidestepped' obligations to credit-card customers

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The article says they're banned from launching any more credit cards unless they can 'demonstrate they are going to follow the law' (whatever that means). This is really funny, because Goldman has been very public about how much they hate the Apple Card deal, and they have been and still are looking to unwind the deal or sell the portfolio, so something tells me this experiment in retail consumer finance is not somet…

Goldman thought they were going to be able to fleece Apple's customers, but they can't. Good job Apple!

For some reason I think it will have been even more mundane. It is quite a long time ago, but Matt Levine wrote at the time that GS was (for whatever reason) desperate to get into consumer finance. They saw the market as an open opportunity, and paired up with Apple to get a foothold reaching well beyond their Marcus brand.

[Still paraphrasing Levine.] As one would expect, that didn't go well. Goldman Sachs as a company is geared to do complex low-volume, high-margin deals. Consumer banking by its very nature is high-volume, low-margin. To make things "worse", consumer finance is also very heavily regulated to discourage routinely fleecing your customers.

Which is how you get a vampire squid squad trying to feed off of a decaffeinated strawberry juice carton. Someone is going to be disappointed, and it's not the juice carton.

GS were probably willing (initially) to pay a hefty sum to get into that market, so then the question becomes: why Apple? At the time Apple had a net float of >$200B. When you have that much cash and assets to deal with, you no longer seek the help of a bank. You are a bank.

In a funny twist, their Marcus brand is still alive at least in the UK, and they are offering some of the (supposedly)[ß] best front line savings rates to attract customers. I've never seen anyone with their brand of card, though, so clearly their offered rates are not attractive enough.

ß: few other UK high street banks are offering even better rates, but every single one of them has set a ludicrously low cap on the amount they pay good rates on before dropping to just-about-tolerable rates for whatever goes above the threshold.

Re: Goldman and Apple 'illegally sidestepped' obligations to credit-card customers

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My recent experience with Apple has been anti-user .. juice their bottom line.... - iCloud storage notifications saying have to upgrade to $9.99 plan to continue to store my photos, videos and even worse if I wanted to continue getting my iCloud emails. What(?), as my Google Photos is still sucking/backing up all the same media (goes back to 2016) for free. LAME Apple especially threat of not getting my iCloud emails…

Uh, Gmail also has usage limits for each tier. I know before I’ve painstakingly removed emails with large attachments just so I can keep receiving my email.

15gb on the free tier...empty your emails folks. This madness of keeping every email is insane. I had a user with 60000 unopened emails on one account just 2 weeks ago. It's like some folks refuse to do basic data/comms house keeping.

Re: Goldman and Apple 'illegally sidestepped' obligations to credit-card customers

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“ The regulator also said Apple and Goldman misled many consumers into believing they would automatically get interest-free monthly payments when buying Apple devices. Instead, those same customers were charged interest.” Interesting! Will they notify those charged interest?

I'm curious what the issue is, since most Apple Devices DO have interest free payments for 12 months

But you have to click the payments option (and pay the billed amounts). If you put the full balance on your card, you can't ignore it for 12 months and then pay.

Re: Goldman and Apple 'illegally sidestepped' obligations to credit-card customers

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I'm curious what the issue is, since most Apple Devices DO have interest free payments for 12 months

But you have to click the payments option (and pay the billed amounts). If you put the full balance on your card, you can't ignore it for 12 months and then pay.

So it's only no interest as long as you make payments on time. I guess this is technically misleading advertising?

It might also be that it only applied during specific circumstances (buying directly from Apple) instead of as a blanket offer. I've bought a few devices through this deal and personally am a happy customer, so I hope this doesn't kill it.

Re: Goldman and Apple 'illegally sidestepped' obligations to credit-card customers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But you have to click the payments option (and pay the billed amounts). If you put the full balance on your card, you can't ignore it for 12 months and then pay.

So it's only no interest as long as you make payments on time. I guess this is technically misleading advertising? It might also be that it only applied during specific circumstances (buying directly from Apple) instead of as a blanket offer. I've bought a few devices through this deal and personally am a happy customer, so I hope this doesn't kill it.

Isn't that every credit card? You pay your full balance on time it's essentially a delayed debit card because no interest is paid.

Re: Goldman and Apple 'illegally sidestepped' obligations to credit-card customers

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Goldman thought they were going to be able to fleece Apple's customers, but they can't. Good job Apple!

For some reason I think it will have been even more mundane. It is quite a long time ago, but Matt Levine wrote at the time that GS was (for whatever reason) desperate to get into consumer finance. They saw the market as an open opportunity, and paired up with Apple to get a foothold reaching well beyond their Marcus brand. [Still paraphrasing Levine.] As one would expect, that didn't go well. Goldman Sachs as a comp…

Why would you decaffeinate strawberry juice
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