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Huawei makes divorce from Android official with HarmonyOS NEXT launch

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Post by rfoo »

ChocolateGod wrote: post #109
pjmlp wrote: post #93

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Yes, https://9to5google.com/2024/03/01/fuchsia-16-nest-hub-whats-... However it is quite clear by now, this is the best Fuschia will ever get, and it is mostly a top level software engineer retention program.

It's a shame because Fuchsia would go a long way to solve the Android update mess that's partially caused by how Linux does drivers/kernels for ARM and that Android was never made to have generic updates like desktop operating systems, much of the design stemming from the embedded world it was originally made for.

Time to... (check notes)... break up Google and somehow sanction Google so they themselves can't use Android anymore and you get Fuchsia on the Pixel line. That's how you push alternative OS thesedays.

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Post by bsaul »

FooBarWidget wrote: post #72
bsaul wrote: post #64

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Still nothing compared to china. But nice try.

What? Somehow people in the west getting arrested for protesting against genocide, is acceptable/redeemable just because another country is presumably worse??? Do you actually care about freedom/human rights at all or are you just abusing those concepts to feel superior relative to other countries and to play petty tribal us-vs-them politics?

didn't say it was ok to arrest people protesting. Just that it's nothing comparable with non-democratic countries like china or russia. You can protest in front of the white house. Just don't try that in moscow or beijing.

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Post by numpad0 »

Throw83489i7 wrote: post #62
numpad0 wrote: post #39

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Are you sure those everything aren't just bunch of third party janky WebViews, only relevant because of private chat app account moat? ("third party" and "private" parts are relevant, IMO, otherwise Twitter superapp-ification had happened years ago)

Maybe, but that is just implementation detail. My point is that 3td party apps do not make much sense in China. They are useless without support from super app

That's same everywhere. If your phone didn't support local equivalents of VISA, Google, Uber, iMessage, Amazon, ... it's just Mainland China equivalents of services and slightly different implementation of federated login/payment. People tends to assume that the set of brands they recognize is truly universal and global and others are additive, that's not the reality.

There are Chinese regional apk distribution sites for Chinese phones. You don't hear about those(I don't either) because there are near zero communication bandwidth across languages on this planet. That doesn't mean they don't exist.

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Post by rfoo »

jokoon wrote: post #63
ak_111 wrote: post #49

I wonder the cost to Microsoft if there is a rigorous political effort by the CCP to move all Chinese desktop consumption away from Windows and Office Suite to open source (local) alternatives.

That's a cost to microsoft, sure, but probably a much bigger cost to china. I like Linux, but porting a country's software on linux is no trivial task.

China has been doing this for a while already. Not only porting a country's software on Linux, they are also porting to their own platforms. [1] [2] [3] [4]

Currently it's full of rough edges and barely (if at all) works. But I do believe it's going to happen.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loongson

[2] https://www.phytium.com.cn/homepage/production/15/ (Chinese-only)

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunway_(processor)

[4] https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/huawei-bring...

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Post by TeaBrain »

wongarsu wrote: post #65
komali2 wrote: post #37

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3rd desktop os? There are many more than 2 desktop oss already, am I misunderstanding you?

There are only two kernel architectures in use though: Unix-derived and Windows. This could make for a very different new entry

I haven't seen anything to suggest that the new Huawei OS will use a unique kernel architecture.

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Post by FooBarWidget »

bsaul wrote: post #122
FooBarWidget wrote: post #72

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What? Somehow people in the west getting arrested for protesting against genocide, is acceptable/redeemable just because another country is presumably worse??? Do you actually care about freedom/human rights at all or are you just abusing those concepts to feel superior relative to other countries and to play petty tribal us-vs-them politics?

didn't say it was ok to arrest people protesting. Just that it's nothing comparable with non-democratic countries like china or russia. You can protest in front of the white house. Just don't try that in moscow or beijing.

You can do stuff in front of the White House as long as you're a nobody and it doesn't actually threathen powerful interests. How many of these protests where nobody was arrested, actually resulted in change? What's the point of protesting if nothing ever changes? Thousands of children have already been killed in Gaza, but we can protest in front of the White House while the killing continues, and that makes us better than $OTHERCOUNTRY. Why are you content with a circus like that? What's even the point of comparing with $OTHERCOUNTRY if you don't have effective power to change for the better at home? Shouldn't we set higher standards for ourselves?

I think it's really, really weird that some people care more about how bad $OTHER is than problems at home.

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Post by dzonga »

mainecoder wrote: post #91
amanaplanacanal wrote: post #81

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How does this hurt the US?

that's a good question, this hurts the US by enabling China to decouple itself from the US. Thus Once they make their own OS and have apps joining in their own app store, they can expand their markets and compete on OS. It may seem ridiculous now, but in 10 years it will be a serious OS and you can have all the apps in a .apk file that exist on android already working on their OS. Everytime the US introduces a restri…

not only that - the other downstream effect it gives other nations to play hardball with the US too - since they now have an alternative. say Iran gets sanctioned by the US that they can't access play store - with china's option, they don't have care about the play store. and with the web being more capable - no need for native app stores. same as those chips - before it was buying good chips from US or US ally's, next time those "rogue" nations can buy good quality chips from china.

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Post by teyc »

audunw wrote: post #112
mainecoder wrote: post #91

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that's a good question, this hurts the US by enabling China to decouple itself from the US. Thus Once they make their own OS and have apps joining in their own app store, they can expand their markets and compete on OS. It may seem ridiculous now, but in 10 years it will be a serious OS and you can have all the apps in a .apk file that exist on android already working on their OS. Everytime the US introduces a restri…

All these things were gonna happen anyway. Or if not these things then China would aim to dominate in some other field. You think the capital allocated to these projects would otherwise sit idle? I don’t see any problems here 1. After China made a turn toward authoritarianism with Xi, decoupling - especially on the telecom side - is a hard requirement. They are objectively a huge national security risk. 2. Competitio…

China is trying to learn the lessons from the fall of USSR as well as the general decline of the political discourse in the US, as well as the corruption of its politics.

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Post by sub7 »

Hate to see this but Chinese phones have been better than US phones for almost half a decade now.

They may have started with stolen IP, but they're actually just ahead now - thinner, faster, lighter, better.

This applies to hardware, but their software isn't bad either - 15 years in most phone OS are kind of the same shit with only minor differences.

But sure Google, Apple, Microsoft keep trying to sell us shitty services for your balance sheet and ignoring what got you dominant i.e. building great products.

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Post by nashashmi »

mrguyorama wrote: post #87
nashashmi wrote: post #50

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No such thing. Instead we have corporate America spyware. And America using court power to access corporate spyware data. You see this way America never gets spyware status. Neither does America get powerful enough that its backers become afraid of America.

>And America using court power to access corporate spyware data. No, America doesn't need the courts to access the data from the corporations because the corporations just sell it to law enforcement. Every single American company that touches computers has an enthusiastic side hustle as a snitch.

Being a snitch is a good thing because if you do a crime using their services, then you lose the right to privacy. Blanket surrender of data is not.
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