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Huawei makes divorce from Android official with HarmonyOS NEXT launch

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Re: Huawei makes divorce from Android official with HarmonyOS NEXT launch

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Post by GTP »

csomar wrote: post #28
MichaelZuo wrote: post #23

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You can really see Huawei’s roots as a telecom vendor here. Their hardware, firmware, and core parts of the software are nearly flawless, at least compared to Apple/Google in 2024, but the moment you need something beyond the shipped product it becomes a hoop jumping exercise. And the documentation is much worse.

Indeed. I don't have much technical expertise in the kernel/OS space, but I wouldn't be surprised if the NEXT OS is better than Linux. On the other hand, their dev experience is akin to opening a router paper manual. There is an opportunity here but I am not sure how it can be unlocked.

But, do we somehow know that it isn't based on Linux? The fact alone that it will not run Android apps doesn't bar that.

Re: Huawei makes divorce from Android official with HarmonyOS NEXT launch

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Post by joemazerino »

Huawei's innovations are shadowed by its deep corruption and ties with the CCP. Chinese activists have been targeted and had their apps repacked and resigned by Huawei without notification.

Google isn't an Angel but I'll take the skynet we know vs the skynet we don't.

Re: Huawei makes divorce from Android official with HarmonyOS NEXT launch

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Post by MichaelZuo »

GTP wrote: post #101
csomar wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed. I don't have much technical expertise in the kernel/OS space, but I wouldn't be surprised if the NEXT OS is better than Linux. On the other hand, their dev experience is akin to opening a router paper manual. There is an opportunity here but I am not sure how it can be unlocked.

But, do we somehow know that it isn't based on Linux? The fact alone that it will not run Android apps doesn't bar that.

From what I’ve heard it’s a much smaller microkernel, so it’s improbable for it to be based on Linux.

Re: Huawei makes divorce from Android official with HarmonyOS NEXT launch

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Post by durumu »

exe34 wrote: post #97
mainecoder wrote: post #91

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that's a good question, this hurts the US by enabling China to decouple itself from the US. Thus Once they make their own OS and have apps joining in their own app store, they can expand their markets and compete on OS. It may seem ridiculous now, but in 10 years it will be a serious OS and you can have all the apps in a .apk file that exist on android already working on their OS. Everytime the US introduces a restri…

tbh I like the idea of a multipolar world - a lot of our biggest achievements came as a result of the cold war. it also forces some redundancy into the mechanisms of running a technological world - a disaster that affects one of the two or three polities may well leave enough stuff working that civilisation doesn't need to collapse completely. a world where everything depends on everything else working correctly is a…

I think it's not clear which way that effect goes -- the Cold War was also the closest humanity has ever come to destroying itself. If all nations depend on each other, there's less nuclear conflict risk and less risk of war in general.

Re: Huawei makes divorce from Android official with HarmonyOS NEXT launch

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Post by amenhotep »

mainecoder wrote: post #91
amanaplanacanal wrote: post #81

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How does this hurt the US?

that's a good question, this hurts the US by enabling China to decouple itself from the US. Thus Once they make their own OS and have apps joining in their own app store, they can expand their markets and compete on OS. It may seem ridiculous now, but in 10 years it will be a serious OS and you can have all the apps in a .apk file that exist on android already working on their OS. Everytime the US introduces a restri…

This could be a ten year old post about Nordstream with a little tweaking. Autocracies will pursue their goals regardless of "coupling", China is not going to be influenced by whether the Google Play Store is available.

Re: Huawei makes divorce from Android official with HarmonyOS NEXT launch

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Post by exe34 »

durumu wrote: post #104
exe34 wrote: post #97

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tbh I like the idea of a multipolar world - a lot of our biggest achievements came as a result of the cold war. it also forces some redundancy into the mechanisms of running a technological world - a disaster that affects one of the two or three polities may well leave enough stuff working that civilisation doesn't need to collapse completely. a world where everything depends on everything else working correctly is a…

I think it's not clear which way that effect goes -- the Cold War was also the closest humanity has ever come to destroying itself. If all nations depend on each other, there's less nuclear conflict risk and less risk of war in general.

now that we've allowed Ukraine to suffer the consequences of trusting us with their defence in exchange for their old nukes, I expect nuclear proliferation to be inevitable and thus a nuclear exchange within our lifetimes isn't off the table. the worse is ahead of us, cold war or not.

Re: Huawei makes divorce from Android official with HarmonyOS NEXT launch

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Post by okasaki »

dartos wrote: post #80
okasaki wrote: post #45

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If you're in the US you should be dodging US spyware not Chinese spyware, since you're living under US power and laws.

Why not both? I don’t want china knowing about me any more than I want the US knowing about. It’s harder to dodge US spying when every other traffic light has network connected cameras on them… and I pay taxes… there’s no dodging it. It’s much easier to not buy Chinese spyware phones.

How many laws does the US have, and are you 100% sure you haven't broken any ever?

Re: Huawei makes divorce from Android official with HarmonyOS NEXT launch

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Post by blackoil »

mrweasel wrote: post #98
horsawlarway wrote: post #88

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I mean - developers for your platform have always been a huge driver (something something developers, developers, developers - Balmer). But I think it's a mistake to assume that the Play Store is equivalent to your developer footprint for a platform. Google has been fairly insidious about integrating OS level APIs with the Play Store, so that's blurred the line a bit here - but if the OS is otherwise "Android-like" e…

It doesn't matter that you have 90% of all developers supporting your platform, if the final 10% is responsible for the must have apps. Huawei had a 4% market share last year. Is that going to be enough for something like MobilePay in Scandinavia to ensure that they are present on a platform, from a company and country they don't entirely trust? Without the MobilePay app, the number of people who'd buy the phones dro…

Huawei has 22% market share in China which has its own ecosystem, so apps can be converted. Even for Xiaomi and BBK it will make sense to have few China only Harmony phones to hedge against any action by US against them.

Countries like Iran, Russia can be next target for obvious reasons.

In SEA likes of Grab and Gojek can be financially motivated to create apps. If they get a 4-10% marketshare it will make sense for Meta to port its apps to protect its position.

YouTube will be a blocker as Google has strong reason to not support any alternative platform even if it will make sense for the App. Same happened for Win Phone earlier.

Re: Huawei makes divorce from Android official with HarmonyOS NEXT launch

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Post by ChocolateGod »

pjmlp wrote: post #93
grishka wrote: post #76

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Didn't Google deploy it to some of its smart speaker devices a while ago tho?

Yes, https://9to5google.com/2024/03/01/fuchsia-16-nest-hub-whats-... However it is quite clear by now, this is the best Fuschia will ever get, and it is mostly a top level software engineer retention program.

It's a shame because Fuchsia would go a long way to solve the Android update mess that's partially caused by how Linux does drivers/kernels for ARM and that Android was never made to have generic updates like desktop operating systems, much of the design stemming from the embedded world it was originally made for.

Re: Huawei makes divorce from Android official with HarmonyOS NEXT launch

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Post by blackoil »

jokoon wrote: post #63
ak_111 wrote: post #49

I wonder the cost to Microsoft if there is a rigorous political effort by the CCP to move all Chinese desktop consumption away from Windows and Office Suite to open source (local) alternatives.

That's a cost to microsoft, sure, but probably a much bigger cost to china. I like Linux, but porting a country's software on linux is no trivial task.

That is the beauty of web. Most end users now interact via web. They have popular alternative to Office, teams, slack etc.

So even if 40-70% of corporate computers can be moved out it's still big.

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