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Re: Twitch blocks creating new accounts from Israeli IP's

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Post by tguvot »

covercash wrote: post #64
WesolyKubeczek wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here on HN I tend to see the opposite: lots of staunch anti-israelism, sometimes bordering on plain old antisemitism, along with these statements like yours. I have showdead and showflagged enabled, yet I don’t see the flood of propaganda you keep talking about.

I imagine @dang is pretty on top of clapping antisemitic comments on this platform, he’s not one to mess around. I worry that softening the definition of antisemitism by saying things border on it is ultimately weakening the severity of the accusation long term. Like bigot and pedo, antisemite will soon be relegated to just another empty accusation before long.

no, he isn't. there is a bunch of accounts that post comments like this. get at most slap on the wrist. but the one that get banned are pro-israeli accounts.

Re: Twitch blocks creating new accounts from Israeli IP's

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Post by tguvot »

WesolyKubeczek wrote: post #69
covercash wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I imagine @dang is pretty on top of clapping antisemitic comments on this platform, he’s not one to mess around. I worry that softening the definition of antisemitism by saying things border on it is ultimately weakening the severity of the accusation long term. Like bigot and pedo, antisemite will soon be relegated to just another empty accusation before long.

Should I call people “cryptoantisemites” instead, when they dance on that thin line between “trying to be unbiased” and “calling to wipe Israel and its inhabitants from the map”, never actually uttering the latter aloud?

i think i even know who you are talking about specifically

Re: Twitch blocks creating new accounts from Israeli IP's

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Post by tguvot »

biimugan wrote: post #51
Sabinus wrote: post #14

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For anyone that's confused, there was an event at TwitchCon where some streamers (including one Jewish person) created a tier list. The tier list ranked other streamers according to whether they should be given a "pass" to say the word 'habibi'. The categories included things like 'Arab', 'Arab-coded', and at the bottom 'Loves Sabra'. Sabra, in this case, is a well-known brand of (supposedly not good) hummus (I don't…

sabra - humus and sabra - jew born in israel, it's literally same word. humus is called after jew born in israel as this is brand of humus of israeli company

Re: Twitch blocks creating new accounts from Israeli IP's

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Post by aguaviva »

WesolyKubeczek wrote: post #69
covercash wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I imagine @dang is pretty on top of clapping antisemitic comments on this platform, he’s not one to mess around. I worry that softening the definition of antisemitism by saying things border on it is ultimately weakening the severity of the accusation long term. Like bigot and pedo, antisemite will soon be relegated to just another empty accusation before long.

Should I call people “cryptoantisemites” instead, when they dance on that thin line between “trying to be unbiased” and “calling to wipe Israel and its inhabitants from the map”, never actually uttering the latter aloud?

You can call them whatever you want, as long as you can point to instances of what real users actually said.

Instead of referring to abstract/hypothetical users and what you think they might be saying in some alternate universe.

Re: Twitch blocks creating new accounts from Israeli IP's

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Post by covercash »

WesolyKubeczek wrote: post #69
covercash wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I imagine @dang is pretty on top of clapping antisemitic comments on this platform, he’s not one to mess around. I worry that softening the definition of antisemitism by saying things border on it is ultimately weakening the severity of the accusation long term. Like bigot and pedo, antisemite will soon be relegated to just another empty accusation before long.

Should I call people “cryptoantisemites” instead, when they dance on that thin line between “trying to be unbiased” and “calling to wipe Israel and its inhabitants from the map”, never actually uttering the latter aloud?

I actually think that would be an apt term for every Twitter account promoting an alt coin…

Re: Twitch blocks creating new accounts from Israeli IP's

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Post by weatherlite »

hobobaggins wrote: post #5

Why would they do this? It's a political statement from Amazon?

Amazon itself has worked just fine Israeli IPs and I assume Palestinians also. The fact the block was both for Israeli and Palestinians combined makes me think this actually wasn't an anti Israeli / anti Palestinian decision. It was something else (official explanation by Twitch was that after the October 7th massacres they wanted to prevent new sign ups from the region uploading graphic massacre content which is believable to me).

Re: Twitch blocks creating new accounts from Israeli IP's

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Post by Sabinus »

biimugan wrote: post #51
Sabinus wrote: post #14

[flagged]

For anyone that's confused, there was an event at TwitchCon where some streamers (including one Jewish person) created a tier list. The tier list ranked other streamers according to whether they should be given a "pass" to say the word 'habibi'. The categories included things like 'Arab', 'Arab-coded', and at the bottom 'Loves Sabra'. Sabra, in this case, is a well-known brand of (supposedly not good) hummus (I don't…

Twitch has now suspended multiple streamers on the panel, for hateful conduct. How do you reconcile that with your characterisation of the outage as a conspiracy theory?

Re: Twitch blocks creating new accounts from Israeli IP's

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Post by Sabinus »

refulgentis wrote: post #26
Sabinus wrote: post #14

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I am predispositioned to agree with this wholeheartedly but the member of a civil society in me has to draw a line at conspiratorial suggestions in the last sentence. I gotta point out that sort of thing isn't appropriate even in my in-group, so I can make fun of it when the out-group does it. If I were more honest and had more time, I'd have the courage to suggest that even though I assumed the first part is true, I…

That's a fair criticism, I went too far with the kompromat speculation.

Re: Twitch blocks creating new accounts from Israeli IP's

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Post by biimugan »

Sabinus wrote: post #77
biimugan wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For anyone that's confused, there was an event at TwitchCon where some streamers (including one Jewish person) created a tier list. The tier list ranked other streamers according to whether they should be given a "pass" to say the word 'habibi'. The categories included things like 'Arab', 'Arab-coded', and at the bottom 'Loves Sabra'. Sabra, in this case, is a well-known brand of (supposedly not good) hummus (I don't…

Twitch has now suspended multiple streamers on the panel, for hateful conduct. How do you reconcile that with your characterisation of the outage as a conspiracy theory?

It's a simple answer. Businesses are amoral organizations that only care about a few things, some of them being profits and their image (which is tied to their profits). I would've been surprised if Twitch didn't suspend them given that the ADL and other powerful political organizations were exerting pressure. From Twitch's perspective it's such a minute price to pay.
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