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Re: Ask HN: How to Learn 'To Think'?

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There are many ways of thinking, and not all involve the use of articulated language. It sounds like you may be seeking to improve your critical-thinking skills.

Many community colleges offer critical-thinking courses, so that could be an option.

There are many books on critical thinking. One with exercises that I can recommend is Kirby’s and Goodpastor’s “Thinking” (which could be used as a course book for a critical-thinking skills course). You might also check out books by Rolf Dobelli, Peter Bevelin, and Donella Matthews.

Farnam Street (fs.blog) and sites like it champion the idea of using mental models to think. Farnam Street has lots of good, free materials that you can start with and try to start using in your daily life. The site also recently put out a series of books called “The Great Mental Models”.

But mental models can be found everywhere. For example, I frequently use Nassim N. Taleb’s mental models of “robustness,” “antifragility,” and “skin in the game.” Likewise, I use the concept of expected value when making decisions.

Another good book with easily implemented mental models is “Judgment and Managerial Decision-Making”.

There are tons and tons of books in this space, and you will find many recommendations of good ones here on HN. Just search for book recommendations (an evergreen topic here) and you’re bound to find some.

But if I understand your post correctly, you seem to be trying to learn how to articulate your thoughts more. You could start with the simple but powerful practice of asking yourself, what is this person/book/podcast/etc. saying? Is it true / do I agree with it? Why or why not? And what of it / why does it matter? (These questions are similar to those suggested in Mortimer Adler’s “How to Read a Book”, which is another title I commend to you.)

Take notes when listening and reading, and try answering these questions out loud or in writing after hearing or reading something. It’s a practice, and engaging with the habit intentionally and repeatedly over time will help you to improve your skills.

In this regard, I can suggest the following practice too. Copy the text of a piece of writing and dump it into a plain text file. Open it with an editor like Sublime Text (which I like because it, and other text and code editors, makes it easy to move lines of text around). Then, put every sentence on its own line. (If you’re handy with computers, you can do this quickly with regex, or even find-and-replace.) Next, try rewriting each sentence to simplify it and to restate it in your own words. Then rearrange the lines to restructure the argument in the way that makes the most logical sense. Finally, you can analyze it and write out your reactions to it, or your counter-arguments.

By using this process, you’ll probably discover that many people have little idea of what they’re talking about, and that they articulate their thoughts poorly. You’ll also discover that much of what they say is opinion, and that they use various tricks to hide or warp ideas. On this note, studying Western rhetorical tradition may prove very helpful in your quest to learn how to think better (plenty of theoretical and how-to books there, going back to the Ancients!).

At any rate, you’re in good company here: HN is full of people who think about thinking and strive to think better themselves. I’m sure you’ll find many useful posts and comments from past discussions, as I have. It’s a lifelong journey that has no clear endpoint. That’s the challenge and the beauty of it!

Good luck, and let me know if you think I can be of assistance.

PS: Other writers and thinkers to definitely check out on these topics: Charlie Munger; Richard Feynman; Daniel Dennett (“Intuition Pumps and Other Tools for Thinking”).

Re: Ask HN: How to Learn 'To Think'?

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On a different note from my other comment here: don’t fall in the traps of letting some “evaluation” define you, or of considering your memory or “ability to think” permanently/unchangeably “poor”. While certainly some parts of our biological makeup may be more or less permanent, both memory and thinking skills are, well, skills that can be improved with training and practice.

Don’t get down on yourself or develop an unhelpful belief or attitude about yourself. You can and will improve with practice, and you are not defined by a test result.

Re: Ask HN: How to Learn 'To Think'?

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I have the opposite problem. I get “intrusive” thoughts about ideas/anything as a stream of information passively. Not intrusive in the sense that it’s bad stuff (it’s all positive/good thinking) but I literally can’t “switch it off” and it hits me no matter what activity I’m doing. Makes relaxing hard Sometimes it’s an overwhelming amount of thoughts, so I always keep a journal or phone handy especially at night No…

Have you been checked for ADHD? I think this is a common problem for people who has ADHD, I got diagnosed in college, that's when I realized normal people don't have that much thoughts usually.

Haha yeah, diagnosed recently - almost 30

Re: Ask HN: How to Learn 'To Think'?

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Sounds like books (passive learning) haven't worked very well for you yet. Maybe a more active learning approach would work better.

Active learning is characterised by producing something and then comparing / critiquing it against a well-known production. Often STEM subjects fit this very well because they are almost entirely built on the premise that you make predictions with a model, perform a test, and then refine your models.

Anything mathematics, logic puzzles, etc. would fit into this quite well since you don't really need specific equipment, you can attempt to solve something and after having a solution you can compare it to what a book / the internet says. Then critically evaluate how you approached the problem vs the actual solution, and the merits/demerits of each approach - as you grow you can probably find multiple competing solutions (being able to discern between them is very powerful)

Personally I really like programming because of the immediate feedback loop, needing to hold a program in your head, reason with and refine that mental model of the program. Also with programming its easy to work on something a bit more interesting: games, websites, dbs, etc.

I think you can also look into essay writing or other fields but its extremely important to have someone to spar with - otherwise you don't know if your thought process has actually improved.

Re: Ask HN: How to Learn 'To Think'?

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Sounds like books (passive learning) haven't worked very well for you yet. Maybe a more active learning approach would work better. Active learning is characterised by producing something and then comparing / critiquing it against a well-known production. Often STEM subjects fit this very well because they are almost entirely built on the premise that you make predictions with a model, perform a test, and then refine…

Also don't forget to make it fun and consistent. Playing very logical games can also work towards your goals.

Maybe on some days you can instead play chess and go over your games with the computer, learning from your mistakes and critically working through each path with the highest accuracy. Don't forget to also watch / learn from other people who are better than you who can explain their thought processes well [1]. Maybe after a while you can also sign up to a chess club and learn from real people too.

[1] - If you're interested in chess I really recommend Daniel Naroditsky, he might not be the strongest player or have the most interesting personality. But he is by far the best explainer of thought processes and patterns he uses. Watching people like Hikaru can be more difficult because he operates at a "higher level"

Re: Ask HN: How to Learn 'To Think'?

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Writing is very underrated way of thinking, but I can recommend it highly. Start journaling and/or writing essays. Just write down what you think, feel, want to communicate, and what you understand. Just be clear and honest. pg has repeatedly written about this [0]. You can also choose to write technical posts. Solving Math problems and competitive programming problems also enhace thinking. Teaching is an underrated…

I am not sure what exactly OP's condition is, but I can attest that writing will help to a degree regardless of whether you are overthinking, "thinking too little" or feeling unable to keep a chain of thoughts.

Generally, I'd like to learn more about what OP actually means. I would be pretty happy if I could stop my inner monologue most of the time. So I guess OP refers to the perceived inability to hold a chain of thought in their mind?

Re: Ask HN: How to Learn 'To Think'?

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This internal dialogue business is the wrong direction. Many should learn to shut that off. You don’t need your own thoughts echoing around in your mind. That’s not quality thinking. Play games. Consider that the real challenge of games is learning how the rules work, how the interface works, how game strategy works, how various systems of values are leveraged. Learn to assimilate and “do well” in games. Even if you…

Factorio?

Re: Ask HN: How to Learn 'To Think'?

#30

There are many ways of thinking, and not all involve the use of articulated language. It sounds like you may be seeking to improve your critical-thinking skills. Many community colleges offer critical-thinking courses, so that could be an option. There are many books on critical thinking. One with exercises that I can recommend is Kirby’s and Goodpastor’s “Thinking” (which could be used as a course book for a critica…

Did you process the mental models in real time, or do you just need some time?
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