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Re: First images from Euclid are in

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smaddox wrote: post #36
geenkeuse wrote: post #30

We still have a long way to go to beat this draw distance, but we are on our way. The day will come when we have "sentient" beings, living in a massive world created by us. And they will ponder the same things as we do now. And we will remain invisible and out of reach, but completely observant, and influential in their world. After all, we wrote the program. And they will study the code and discover their own "natur…

Exponential slowdowns at each level ruin this hypothesis.

The documents I copied are not as sharp as the original, so the photocopier must not exist.

Re: First images from Euclid are in

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Post by bigiain »

JohnBooty wrote: post #29
virtue3 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Astronomer Frank Drake created a formula to estimate the number of extraterrestrial civilizations in the Milky Way. Adam Frank and Woodruff Sullivan modified the equation to calculate the odds that Earth was the first intelligent life in the universe. They concluded that the odds of Earth being the first are less than one in 10 billion trillion, which suggests that other intelligent species have likely evolved." 1 i…

I don't really doubt that life with human-level (or greater) intelligence has evolved at least a few times. What I'm more pessimistic about is how long such intelligence might live. How many civilizations reached a point of harnessing nuclear power and then wiped themselves out with nuclear war?

I think even that's perhaps a warped anthropocentric view of intelligence?

Think about other earth-centric scenarios, and try and imagine if dolphins or octopuses or fungus or maybe even insect colonies or plant ecosystems had "won" and become the apex lifeforms on earth instead of humans. I wonder just how different concerns like "civilisations" and "war" and "nuclear power" would have played out in those cases? I wonder if assumptions like "industrial revolutions" and the inevitability of scientific discovery being used in detrimental ways like we have done with nuclear science actually correlate with "intelligence"?

Re: First images from Euclid are in

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Post by bigiain »

deanCommie wrote: post #18
ekianjo wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Life? Probably. Something that has thinking capabilities? Much more doubtful.

I see no reason to doubt. I think at the scale of the universe life even thinking capabilities life is almost certainly inevitable. What's not inevitable is that it can thrive, and survive to a galactic scale. That's not even yet certain for us. Universe is too big, we're all too far apart. Civilizations come, civilizations go. Some may not be on a planet where even rocket travel may be possible - no source of energy…

> What's not inevitable is that it can thrive, and survive to a galactic scale. That's not even yet certain for us.

Sadly, that's looking less and less likely as time goes on.

Re: First images from Euclid are in

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Post by wayoverthecloud »

neom wrote: post #10

Some of that zooming in made me feel pretty damn uncomfortable. It really is f'ing massive out there huh. Makes me wonder what this is all about, I'm sure it's something, I wonder what. :)

I think that too. That it's surely meant to be something. But sometimes I think what does "meaning" even mean? Does universe really have any "meaning", the term that humans invented and that even they are unsure of? Then, I think it's a big randomness, a random accident, a big joke, just happening with nothing to make sense of.

Re: First images from Euclid are in

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Post by renegade-otter »

neom wrote: post #10

Some of that zooming in made me feel pretty damn uncomfortable. It really is f'ing massive out there huh. Makes me wonder what this is all about, I'm sure it's something, I wonder what. :)

The Cosmic Deep State went to great lengths to make all of this very.... big.

Re: First images from Euclid are in

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Post by ourmandave »

The mosaic contains 260 observations made between 25 March and 8 April 2024. In just two weeks, Euclid covered 132 square degrees of the Southern Sky in pristine detail, more than 500 times the area of the full Moon.

This mosaic accounts for 1% of the wide survey that Euclid will capture over six years. During this survey, the telescope observes the shapes, distances and motions of billions of galaxies out to 10 billion light-years. By doing this, it will create the largest cosmic 3D map ever made.

So my question is, what comes after Euclid?

Will the next one capture better details further out (if further is possible)?

Kind of like James Webb compared to Hubble.

Re: First images from Euclid are in

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Post by bigiain »

lfmunoz4 wrote: post #13

600x zoom didn't seem to help from the 150x zoom. Wonder if we will ever be able to see actual planet surfaces or we need some other technology to do that, i.e, we should have small satellites every 10 light years. but this map is amazing and a good step forward. Edit: Was just thinking that image does us tells us something i.e, there no large artificial structures or billboards anywhere we can see. Maybe I watch too…

> there no large artificial structures or billboards anywhere we can see.

I half suspect the aliens who can construct structures large enough to see from lightyears away are by far most likely to be building Dyson Spheres around stars which make them significantly less likely to be seen rather than something we'd notice.

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