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Re: First images from Euclid are in

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Post by caust1c »

ekianjo wrote: post #17
m3kw9 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One proof is that we are thinking, and so are dogs, cats and monkeys to a lesser extent.

That's Earth. There is no model to say that life always goes on that way. We just have no clue.

I think there's a pretty compelling argument that could be made that matter assembling itself into conscious beings follows pretty naturally from life itself, given a long enough time horizon and assuming the properties of basic elements holds constant throughout the universe which seems pretty likely.

Re: First images from Euclid are in

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Post by dylan604 »

bbor wrote: post #3

Really impressive work, thanks for sharing. The video, that is -- the astronomy is indistinguishable from magic and thus way beyond the reach of words like "impressive", obviously. I do find it a little funny that physics is in such a jam that "look at more stuff" is an important next step, but godspeed nonetheless. ETA: For those who love space but are similarly OOTL on the specifics of modern missions: this is from…

> I do find it a little funny that physics is in such a jam that "look at more stuff" is an important next step

Observation is the most basic step of science. By viewing, we can find evidence of theoretical concepts or see something that conflicts those theories so they can be discarded or tweaked. It's not like there are experiments that could be used to test theories, so observing is all there is

Re: First images from Euclid are in

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Post by [deleted] »

not2b wrote: post #9
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #8

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I agree wholeheartedly with all of your sentiments, but I don't think that Kant discovered galaxies or had much interest in them. That honor goes to Messier or Hubble, I believe.

Messier catalogued many objects, some of which were galaxies, but he did not know what they were. It was Hubble who first figured out (in the 1920s) that there were definitely separate galaxies. https://lco.global/spacebook/galaxies/history-discovery/

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Re: First images from Euclid are in

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Post by xipho »

dylan604 wrote: post #22
bbor wrote: post #3

Really impressive work, thanks for sharing. The video, that is -- the astronomy is indistinguishable from magic and thus way beyond the reach of words like "impressive", obviously. I do find it a little funny that physics is in such a jam that "look at more stuff" is an important next step, but godspeed nonetheless. ETA: For those who love space but are similarly OOTL on the specifics of modern missions: this is from…

> I do find it a little funny that physics is in such a jam that "look at more stuff" is an important next step Observation is the most basic step of science. By viewing, we can find evidence of theoretical concepts or see something that conflicts those theories so they can be discarded or tweaked. It's not like there are experiments that could be used to test theories, so observing is all there is

Life on Earth is the same. If we are to get off Earth, we need to know what life to bring with us. We need to look a lot more, and much more closely at all the evolutionary products out there to make those decisions (if we arrogant humans can indeed even manage the intricacies of such an endeavor).

Re: First images from Euclid are in

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Post by zamadatix »

lfmunoz4 wrote: post #13

600x zoom didn't seem to help from the 150x zoom. Wonder if we will ever be able to see actual planet surfaces or we need some other technology to do that, i.e, we should have small satellites every 10 light years. but this map is amazing and a good step forward. Edit: Was just thinking that image does us tells us something i.e, there no large artificial structures or billboards anywhere we can see. Maybe I watch too…

For comparison's sake, this is the best image we made of Pluto (~0.0006 light years away) prior to sending a spacecraft right past it https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a9/Pluto_an... and this is an image of what we think might be a gas giant 4 light years away https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a3/Candidat...

Re: First images from Euclid are in

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Post by JohnBooty »

virtue3 wrote: post #20
ekianjo wrote: post #17

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That's Earth. There is no model to say that life always goes on that way. We just have no clue.

"Astronomer Frank Drake created a formula to estimate the number of extraterrestrial civilizations in the Milky Way. Adam Frank and Woodruff Sullivan modified the equation to calculate the odds that Earth was the first intelligent life in the universe. They concluded that the odds of Earth being the first are less than one in 10 billion trillion, which suggests that other intelligent species have likely evolved." 1 i…

I don't really doubt that life with human-level (or greater) intelligence has evolved at least a few times.

What I'm more pessimistic about is how long such intelligence might live. How many civilizations reached a point of harnessing nuclear power and then wiped themselves out with nuclear war?

Re: First images from Euclid are in

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Post by geenkeuse »

We still have a long way to go to beat this draw distance, but we are on our way. The day will come when we have "sentient" beings, living in a massive world created by us. And they will ponder the same things as we do now.

And we will remain invisible and out of reach, but completely observant, and influential in their world. After all, we wrote the program.

And they will study the code and discover their own "natural laws" and invent their own things.

And they will progress until they create a completely simulated world of their own.

I wonder at which level are we. How many sims down from the original program...

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