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Worldcoin has a new Orb and is now just World

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Re: Worldcoin has a new Orb and is now just World

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Post by AyyEye »

dang wrote: post #39
AyyEye wrote: post #10

I'm sure there's already a plan to monetize and privatize what's soon to be the most valuable biometric database on earth. Plus it's cute how they developed the problem [reaction] solution in parallel. [1] > Something like World ID will eventually exist, meaning that you will need to verify [that you are human] on the internet, whether you like it or not. I think that's certainly going to happen with the progress in…

> Sam the snake Please edit personal attacks out of your HN comments, as the site guidelines ask: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html . You may not owe people whom you call snakes better, but you owe this community better if you're participating in it. This applies regardless of who the person in question is, because it's not about them, it's about us, i.e. the group you belong to.

Edited, sorry.

Re: Worldcoin has a new Orb and is now just World

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Post by ejddhbrbrrnrn »

janice1999 wrote: post #38
game_the0ry wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Something like World ID will eventually exist, meaning that you will need to verify [that you are human] on the internet, whether you like it or not. I think that's certainly going to happen with the progress in AI. No thanks. I would prefer to just opt out.

You won't have a choice depending on what it will gatekeep, just like how at the moment web users can't opt out of being fingerprinted [1] and data intercepted by Cloudflare when they want to visit their favourite site or have to live with never having root access to their phones if they want to use their bank's mobile app. [1] https://blog.cloudflare.com/turnstile-ephemeral-ids-for-frau...

It is more like how you can't opt out of an okta app, cisco vpn on your phone etc. if you want a job.

Speaking of which I suspect these sort of companies not World will win this race. It wont be a new product for them. It is just a new feature.

Re: Worldcoin has a new Orb and is now just World

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Post by sebastiennight »

Centigonal wrote: post #22
sksxihve wrote: post #6

So if I understand this right, this is a physical thing you stand in front of to prove that you are a unique human before making some transaction with another possibly unique human...

You stand in front of the Orb. The Orb scans your biometric data and stores it in Sam's Database (Sam says he doesn't own the database, something something blockchain good of humanity - but Sam doesn't "own" OpenAI either). Once the Orb gathers enough people's biometrics, the Orb will become the gatekeeper for transactions. The Orb will verify your identity and humanity. Sam's Database will be more precise than your…

> National governments will use Sam's Database to assign Universal Basic Income

Didn't the big UBI study come to the conclusion that UBI didn't work (meaning, folks in the control group without UBI were better off at the end of the study than those who received it)? Honest question ; I'm fuzzy on the details.

Re: Worldcoin has a new Orb and is now just World

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Post by wbobeirne »

modeless wrote: post #15

I get that this solution is distasteful. But verifying humanity on the Internet is a real problem that is getting harder and more important very quickly. CAPTCHAs aren't going to work much longer. What is a solution that people can live with?

I think this is a totally valid question. My answer would probably be to have people actually pay for more things. I think a huge proponent of something like World is advertisers, who want to make sure that real human eyeballs are seeing your ads. But if you pay me money, I don't care if you're a rogue AI botnet running amok, I'm happy to serve your request.

Re: Worldcoin has a new Orb and is now just World

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Post by [deleted] »

AyyEye wrote: post #21

> It’s also launching a new service called “Orb on Demand” (yes, it’s really called that) that will let people order Orbs “much like a pizza you would have delivered to your apartment Great. I can't wait for captchas that requires me to pay someone to come to my home and scan my eyeballs. What a hellscape. Everyone involved should be embarrassed and shunned out of the society. "Drink a Verification can to continue" c…

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Re: Worldcoin has a new Orb and is now just World

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Post by anonymousab »

sgdfhijfgsdfgds wrote: post #37
Centigonal wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You stand in front of the Orb. The Orb scans your biometric data and stores it in Sam's Database (Sam says he doesn't own the database, something something blockchain good of humanity - but Sam doesn't "own" OpenAI either). Once the Orb gathers enough people's biometrics, the Orb will become the gatekeeper for transactions. The Orb will verify your identity and humanity. Sam's Database will be more precise than your…

I often wonder if Peter Thiel is somewhere, laughing bitterly into a glass of terrible overpriced gin that only a billionaire would drink: "this fuckin' guy... this is my schtick"

I assume there's some element of being very angry that "it's not me" but an even larger element of "but at least it's one of us rich elite ruling class techbros and not the proles".

Re: Worldcoin has a new Orb and is now just World

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Post by [deleted] »

AyyEye wrote: post #41
dang wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Sam the snake Please edit personal attacks out of your HN comments, as the site guidelines ask: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html . You may not owe people whom you call snakes better, but you owe this community better if you're participating in it. This applies regardless of who the person in question is, because it's not about them, it's about us, i.e. the group you belong to.

Edited, sorry.

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Re: Worldcoin has a new Orb and is now just World

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Post by modeless »

lolinder wrote: post #20
modeless wrote: post #15

I get that this solution is distasteful. But verifying humanity on the Internet is a real problem that is getting harder and more important very quickly. CAPTCHAs aren't going to work much longer. What is a solution that people can live with?

Playing devil's advocate: why is it important? Why do we need to know if an agent on the internet is human or robot? Generally what we actually need to know is if a given agent is engaging in manipulative behavior, illegal activities, or otherwise causing harm to us or our customers. Those behaviors are often correlated with robot agents, which has allowed us to use "is this a robot" as an imperfect proxy for "is thi…

I'm sympathetic to this viewpoint. There will be applications that need human verification, but maybe in most cases it doesn't matter. It does seem to me like the endgame of this would be that everyone interacts mostly with AIs online rather than other humans, as AIs will be (at least superficially) more helpful, patient, pleasant, whatever you want. Check out this social network of AI sycophants and imagine that they start populating all the regular social networks too: https://x.com/michaelsayman/status/1835841675584811239
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