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Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

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Re: Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

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Post by artursapek »

jncfhnb wrote: post #364
artursapek wrote: post #330

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really. I can see through his nonsense like the Haitians comment was hilarious. But if I’m choosing between a politician that says nuclear war is a high existential risk and talks about ending wars, and his opponents who seem to get off on prolonging them, I have no problem making that choice.

It’s very sad to voice support for a man you believe is actively lying to you and your peers. That, to me, feels like hatred for your own politically affiliates even.

You're right. Biden and Harris never lie. I'll support them.

Re: Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

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Post by KK7NIL »

ignoramous wrote: post #363
KK7NIL wrote: post #250

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Stop. You know very well that depleted uranium rounds are neither nuclear weapons nor dirty bombs and claiming so only creates confusion. The US' military usage of DU (not just in ammunition but also armor) has been controversial and you're free to critique it, but that's not what you're doing. Instead you lied and created these fictional "nuclear weapons" that the US is supposedly spreading everywhere, which is just…

> nor dirty bombs Tell that too kids in Iraq and Serbia suffering from deformities. https://www.icbuw.eu/en/the-problem/scientific-data/ > created these fictional "nuclear weapons" that the US is supposedly spreading everywhere In the current war in ME there's unverified accusation of US allies using EU (enriched uranium) weapons. Time will tell. https://english.almayadeen.net/articles/analysis/is--israel-... > deple…

>> nor dirty bombs

>Tell that too kids in Iraq and Serbia suffering from deformities. https://www.icbuw.eu/en/the-problem/scientific-data/

How about you read my comment again? Emphasis on bombs.

> In the current war in ME there's unverified accusation of US allies using EU (enriched uranium) weapons. Time will tell. https://english.almayadeen.net/articles/analysis/is--israel-...

It takes a very special person to link to an Iran backed "news" website spewing conspiracy theories about Israel using mini-nukes in Lebanon.

You are so desperate to be right.

Re: Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

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Post by matthewfelgate »

pajeets wrote: post #327

What makes me really angry are the NPCs that constantly try to justify the bombing and that it was "painless". When I visited Hiroshima and I read about what had happened, I realized our history books were egregiously nonchalant about quite possibly the worst acts of crime against humanity. Now that it appears the world is once again creeping towards nuclear stand-off this time with a very large non-zero chance that…

Not than many people died.

Re: Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

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Post by matthewfelgate »

dang wrote: post #328
matthewfelgate wrote: post #316

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What's name calling?

Pejorative labels like "dumbest ever" and "idiotic". From the guidelines: " When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. 'That is idiotic; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3' can be shortened to '1 + 1 is 2, not 3. " https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

OK I've redone my post.

Re: Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

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Post by ignoramous »

KK7NIL wrote: post #382
ignoramous wrote: post #363

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> nor dirty bombs Tell that too kids in Iraq and Serbia suffering from deformities. https://www.icbuw.eu/en/the-problem/scientific-data/ > created these fictional "nuclear weapons" that the US is supposedly spreading everywhere In the current war in ME there's unverified accusation of US allies using EU (enriched uranium) weapons. Time will tell. https://english.almayadeen.net/articles/analysis/is--israel-... > deple…

>> nor dirty bombs >Tell that too kids in Iraq and Serbia suffering from deformities. https://www.icbuw.eu/en/the-problem/scientific-data/ How about you read my comment again? Emphasis on bombs . > In the current war in ME there's unverified accusation of US allies using EU (enriched uranium) weapons. Time will tell. https://english.almayadeen.net/articles/analysis/is--israel- ... It takes a very special person to li…

> Emphasis on bombs

Emphasize more on nuclear radiation.

> takes a very special person to link to an Iran backed "news"

Of course, there's no propaganda in the West, and anyone who doesn't tow that line has to be a special person and totally desperate, yeah? On trigger to make a racial/personal attack (despite the fact that I called out that the claims are unverified).

The use of US-supplied DU munitions has already prompted Russia to deploy tactical nuclear weapons. This is the point I was getting at in my original comment. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/07/depleted-urani...

> spewing conspiracy

https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-congressman-denies-calling-...

Re: Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

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Post by parl_match »

aegypti wrote: post #312
parl_match wrote: post #290

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> Also, those bombs saved a lot of lives. I know many will disagree, but it's true. This is a hotly, perhaps one of the most hotly contended, modern questions of World War II. To say what you said so blithely betrays your ignorance on the subject. General modern consensus suggests that the first is up for debate for various reasons, but that the second one really didn't do much to change the Japanese government's cou…

A specific strain of 20th century revisionism considers their use questionable in academia, it isn’t remotely a consensus (outside JP) and it certainly isn’t modern.

It's not a "specific strain", it's an overwhelming consensus that "both weren't necessary". There are, of course, people who take hard lines that "both were necessary", but they are in the minority.

At this point the argument has shifted to "was the bombing of Nagasaki necessary to end the war" with the common thought agreeing more or less that some initial large show of force was necessary.

Re: Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

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Post by bdjsiqoocwk »

dredmorbius wrote: post #367
mppm wrote: post #130

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As an addition (and correction) to this, powerful thermonuclear weapons don't vaporize anyone either. They are targeted for high-altitude airbursts and kill through a combination of burns and building collapse, plus secondary fires, infection and breakdown of emergency services. The majority of the victims would not die an instant death. For more information: https://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Nwfaq/Nfaq5.html

There are multiple lethal effects from nuclear weapons, and a person inside the 100 million Celsius fireball itself (TK-radius), yes, will be vapourised. Fireball size depends on weapon yield. For a 1 MT weapon, the radius is roughly 870m, at 5 MT ~1010m, at 150 KT, about 250m. Most US nuclear weapons yield between 600 to 2,200 KT (0.6 to 2.2 MT). Whether or not individuals are within the fireball radius depends on t…

I'm curious why effects fall with interest cube, when geometry demands that energy density falls with interest square...

Re: Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

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Post by skeaker »

userbinator wrote: post #373
gklitz wrote: post #372

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I’ll assume that you are American, so you obviously don’t understand how tone deaf that suggestion is to the current thread. Imagine someone commenting on horrible Auschwitz’s is after they visit and someone commenting “you should visit the Reichstag building to understand what lead to it all”, or a thread about 9/11 and someone suggest visiting a museum about the conflict in the Middle East to learn what lead to the…

Ask what "hint of human decency" the Japanese had to attack a neutral country. It seems you've fallen for the propaganda that they've been producing ever since. Regardless whether they'd be nuked they would've still suffered horribly.

It doesn't really matter what the cause is or who did what or who "deserved" it. The sheer scope and magnitude of a nuke blots out anything else. I recommend you look up the film When the Wind Blows, which I believe is on YouTube now. It's an animated thing about a rural English couple and how their little world ends when their country is nuked. It is extremely tragic and grim and all too real, because it focuses on these people who could never have had a say in anything that happened to them and were victims of a system that never consulted them. Watching that film and then going to the national air and space museum and seeing the plane that dropped the bomb in real life shook me in a very real way when I realized the human cost of it all. The horror of it isn't that the agony it causes is unimaginable, but that it's completely real, that it has happened and could happen again to anyone or to everyone. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

Re: Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

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Post by mppm »

bdjsiqoocwk wrote: post #387
dredmorbius wrote: post #367

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are multiple lethal effects from nuclear weapons, and a person inside the 100 million Celsius fireball itself (TK-radius), yes, will be vapourised. Fireball size depends on weapon yield. For a 1 MT weapon, the radius is roughly 870m, at 5 MT ~1010m, at 150 KT, about 250m. Most US nuclear weapons yield between 600 to 2,200 KT (0.6 to 2.2 MT). Whether or not individuals are within the fireball radius depends on t…

I'm curious why effects fall with interest cube, when geometry demands that energy density falls with interest square...

Blast effect falls off approximately as distance cubed, because the overpressure wave deposits energy in the volume and disperses gradually. Thermal radiation, on the other hand, falls of as distance squared, more or less. This is why the main damage mechanism goes from radiation to blast to thermal as the bomb gets larger.
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