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Re: Why birds do not fall while sleeping

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This article doesn't even try to address what I feel is the deeper and more interesting question (but probably one that can't be answered): Why is it that horses, cows, giraffes and birds have all had to come up with a purely passive solution of "locking" themselves in place, either via their joints (for the four-legged), or via the tendon mechanism described here for birds? I.e. why wasn't in simpler in evolutionary…

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Re: Why birds do not fall while sleeping

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Which is conveniently unverifiable.

I'm just saying that your comment about 10k years is wrong and is not commonly held among intelligent design folks. I'm not arguing for that position though I do hold it.

Intelligent design is a code word for the creation myth of the Abrahamic religions in an attempt to make it seem like it has some basis in science.

Please point to a theory of intelligent design that is verifiable and doesn’t involve magic.

Re: Why birds do not fall while sleeping

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post #77

This article doesn't even try to address what I feel is the deeper and more interesting question (but probably one that can't be answered): Why is it that horses, cows, giraffes and birds have all had to come up with a purely passive solution of "locking" themselves in place, either via their joints (for the four-legged), or via the tendon mechanism described here for birds? I.e. why wasn't in simpler in evolutionary…

Evolution is like DFS depth first search, it isnt looking for an optimal way optimally its just going down a branch until it finds a satisfactory solution. Sleep according to sleep scientist matthew walker, isnt what it seems. If i remember correctly theres even more brain activity and it serves certain goals like behavior refinement, among other things not just refreshing yourself. There might not be more benefit by…

Exactly, it takes more time and energy to undo a mutation that unblocks a better solution than it is to mutate a solution that works with existing mutations.

It's why intelligent machines will absolutely destroy us when it comes to being "superior".

Re: Why birds do not fall while sleeping

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post #160

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I swear I used to be able to switch off my alarm clock while still fully asleep

Must be why there are apps that make you solve a math problem or take a picture of your bath room to turn off the alarm.

It's exactly what I use "alarm clock xtreme" or whatever it's called. Math puzzle, retype or even scan barcode to stop alarm. It has been invaluable, especially as you can change difficulty, I found out even half asleep I could do basic addition etc...

Re: Why birds do not fall while sleeping

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When I was younger, I was fascinated by evolution, especially the intricacies of how things just work. This fascination also explains why many people believe in the intelligent design theory. However, witnessing the rapid evolution of AI with just a few hundred GPUs, enough data, and power, I no longer wonder what a billion years of feedback loops and randomness can achieve.

I mean even real biology like our tailbone, reflexes and organs we no longer actually need are all good indicators.

Re: Why birds do not fall while sleeping

#187

When I was younger, I was fascinated by evolution, especially the intricacies of how things just work. This fascination also explains why many people believe in the intelligent design theory. However, witnessing the rapid evolution of AI with just a few hundred GPUs, enough data, and power, I no longer wonder what a billion years of feedback loops and randomness can achieve.

AI isn’t being trained on random though. It’s the corpus of a large portion of all of humanity’s written communication. I don’t think it’s a good analogy to evolution. A single training session will iterate more than the number of generations of all birds.

I would instead think of the llm training corpus as being equivalent to the physical laws that govern our reality.

LLM training is training an organism to "survive" in an environment consisting of languages/lexicons.

Not getting eaten by a tiger is equivalent to being able to produce a semantically and logically correct sentence.

Re: Why birds do not fall while sleeping

#188

When I was younger, I was fascinated by evolution, especially the intricacies of how things just work. This fascination also explains why many people believe in the intelligent design theory. However, witnessing the rapid evolution of AI with just a few hundred GPUs, enough data, and power, I no longer wonder what a billion years of feedback loops and randomness can achieve.

Rapid evolution of AI needs a director, a human training and guiding it to get tangible results.

Isn't our evolution directed by both the (fixed) laws of physics and by the (random) efforts of all other life forms on this planet?

Re: Why birds do not fall while sleeping

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post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm just saying that your comment about 10k years is wrong and is not commonly held among intelligent design folks. I'm not arguing for that position though I do hold it.

Intelligent design is a code word for the creation myth of the Abrahamic religions in an attempt to make it seem like it has some basis in science. Please point to a theory of intelligent design that is verifiable and doesn’t involve magic.

I wasn't trying to dig into the specifics. I was just correcting your incorrect presumption that ID is about young earth creationism. Theology is about the why and not the how.

Re: Why birds do not fall while sleeping

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post #152

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> I.e. why wasn't in simpler in evolutionary terms to come up with some mechanism where 1% of the brain was dedicated to the relatively simple task of "station keeping", Supposedly this is how dolphins sleep, shutting off part of the brain and using the other half to swim. https://us.whales.org/whales-dolphins/how-do-dolphins-sleep/... .

I think all aquatic mammals do this - they don't have much choice since they need to surface to breathe, so need to be semi-awake all the time.

Not walruses: https://animals.howstuffworks.com/mammals/walrus-sleep-witho...

Not otters: https://www.animalwised.com/how-do-otters-sleep-4669.html

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