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Christopher Columbus may have been Spanish and Jewish, documentary says
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Re: Christopher Columbus may have been Spanish and Jewish, documentary says
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
How does a Jew discovering the Americas benefit the Spanish regime when the Spanish Catholic monarchy precisely kicked all Jews and Muslims from the peninsula with their ill-named "reconquista"? If this turns out to be true, then it'd be rather embarrassing. Presumably this Lorente has more evidence he hasn't put on display, so it isn't completely baseless either. It's certainly sketchy and not very scientific, thoug…
Ill named?
Ill-named because it wasn't a reconquest of anything; Spain did not exist as a nation anytime prior to that. It was a bunch of tribes originally, followed by the Greeks settling in, then the Romans, then the Visigoths, and then the Arabs. A mesh of many cultures until the main kingdoms united and wiped the land of "non-Christian blood". And thereafter the Spanish government has gone back and forth trying to wipe the remaining cultures in the peninsula to impose its own, as can be learned from the recent history of the past century. Nothing to be proud of, really. I actually hope Columbus turns out to be Jew so they stop talking about him.
Re: Christopher Columbus may have been Spanish and Jewish, documentary says
#83Spain still working on the national identity while not reconciling that its two most famous sailors were a portuguese and a genovese. You can see it in claims like these or the internal reframing of the magellan voyage as the "magellan-elcano expedition ".
OTOH there's well known and documented anti-Spanish propaganda during the centuries by basically the rest of Europe (Protestants specifically), so I start to doubt claims from both sides (disclaimer: I'm Spaniard): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_legend
The English and Elizabeth projected their crimes onto Spain.
Proof is in the pudding where is the percentage of natives highest? Where Spaniards colonized (Mexico, Bolivia, Peru)? Or the Brits (Virginia, Connecticut, all of Canada except Quebec)?
(Disclaimer, I'm... I don't know what I am)
Re: Christopher Columbus may have been Spanish and Jewish, documentary says
#84> “The DNA indicates that Christopher Columbus’s origin lay in the western Mediterranean,” said the researcher. “If there weren’t Jews in Genoa in the 15th century, the likelihood that he was from there is minimal. Neither was there a big Jewish presence in the rest of the Italian peninsula, which makes things very tenuous.” Does anyone else think that this is a poorly argued piece? Being Jewish, and having some Jewi…
All of Jesus’s original disciples were Jewish. And you can be certainly be Jewish without having Jewish DNA, but there’s some controversy as to whether the reverse is true.
According to Jewish law, it is, in the case of a Jewish father and a non-Jewish mother, the child is not a Jew.
Re: Christopher Columbus may have been Spanish and Jewish, documentary says
#85technical who-is-a-Jew type question, which is thoroughly intertwingled with European history: the Jewish diaspora were only the diaspora after they were kicked out of Israel by the Romans (in something like 70AD), and even then, only after they maintained their identity in the diaspora (c.f. the majority of other conquered peoples who did not maintain an independent identity) Before that they were just the Jews, whi…
Jewish diaspora existed way before the fall of Jerusalem. Before Jewish-Roman wars, 10% of Roman Empire was Jewish, about 8 million with only 2 million living in Judea.
1 million Jews lived in Persia (probably the ones that stayed when Babylonian captivity ended, since only 50,000 came back with Zerubbabel to build the second temple)
Re: Christopher Columbus may have been Spanish and Jewish, documentary says
#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
All of Jesus’s original disciples were Jewish. And you can be certainly be Jewish without having Jewish DNA, but there’s some controversy as to whether the reverse is true.
According to Jewish law, it is, in the case of a Jewish father and a non-Jewish mother, the child is not a Jew.
According to Jewish law, almost anyone can convert to Judaism.
Re: Christopher Columbus may have been Spanish and Jewish, documentary says
#87> “The DNA indicates that Christopher Columbus’s origin lay in the western Mediterranean,” said the researcher. “If there weren’t Jews in Genoa in the 15th century, the likelihood that he was from there is minimal. Neither was there a big Jewish presence in the rest of the Italian peninsula, which makes things very tenuous.” Does anyone else think that this is a poorly argued piece? Being Jewish, and having some Jewi…
> Being Jewish, and having some Jewish DNA: are they the same thing? Judaism is based on matrilineal descent, so depending on where the DNA comes from, yes.
Almost anyone could convert to Judaism but Judaism is not a proselitist religion.
Re: Christopher Columbus may have been Spanish and Jewish, documentary says
#88Another indication that Columbus was part of the Jewish community is that the Jewish financiers Luis de Santángel and Gabriel Sánchez advanced interest-free loans to finance the journey.
Re: Christopher Columbus may have been Spanish and Jewish, documentary says
#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ill named?
Ill-named because it wasn't a reconquest of anything; Spain did not exist as a nation anytime prior to that. It was a bunch of tribes originally, followed by the Greeks settling in, then the Romans, then the Visigoths, and then the Arabs. A mesh of many cultures until the main kingdoms united and wiped the land of "non-Christian blood". And thereafter the Spanish government has gone back and forth trying to wipe the…
Surely the intent of the name was a "re-conquest of Iberia from muslims by christians".
Re: Christopher Columbus may have been Spanish and Jewish, documentary says
#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
According to Jewish law, it is, in the case of a Jewish father and a non-Jewish mother, the child is not a Jew.
According to Jewish law, almost anyone can convert to Judaism.
It is really not an easy or straightforward process. Of the major world religions, it’s probably the hardest to convert into.
Being born into it is the most common and ‘supported’ way.