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The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

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Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

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Post by swasheck »

_qbxi wrote: post #218
lemoncookiechip wrote: post #155

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> If you're stuck in a room and the only thing you can do is read a math textbook you are going to do it. I would literally doodle, stare out a window, zone out daydreaming, or anything else other than read a textbook I didn't want to read for one reason or another, or pay attention to a teacher for that matter. Yes, it is anecdotal, but I'm sure we've all been children before, and even if you didn't do it, people ar…

> I would literally doodle, stare out a window, zone out daydreaming, or anything else other than read a textbook I didn't want to read for one reason or another, or pay attention to a teacher for that matter. Being bored allows for creativity and problem-solving. You might not do well at that specific subject (eg, math if you never pay attention in math class). But you might do something with some other area of your…

agree wholeheartedly. boredom is a catalyst for creativity and introspection yet we treat it as anathema - something to be artificially avoided at all cost.

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Post by exe34 »

oblio wrote: post #117
dullcrisp wrote: post #111

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I think that’s only the case if you only meet people through TikTok and Twitter

Your comment is totally irrelevant to the conversation regarding schools, though. Smartphones are massively corroding kids' brains these days, and YES, this is much worse than TV or video games back in the day.

Even before that, it was books! instead of quietly contemplating the lord, they were getting blasphemous ideas all day long!

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Post by thiel_is_hitler »

naming_the_user wrote: post #45

It really can't be underestimated either for children or adults how much we are dependent on ease of access. If you're stuck in a room and the only thing you can do is read a math textbook you are going to do it. If you are stuck in a room and you have a math textbook and a novel you now have a choice. A phone? A phone is everything else. You're putting "the thing we are supposed to be doing" and "everything else" in…

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Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

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Post by Spooky23 »

EasyMark wrote: post #200
Spooky23 wrote: post #166

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There’s a lot of reasons where possessing a phone in school is legit. In cities, transit passes are commonly phone bases. Some apartments require smartphones for gate entry. In class, different story of course.

It’s not hard to have a little checkin locker by the teacher’s desk as kids come in. Just make sure they turn the sound off before sliding it into it’s temporary home

Nah, that’s disruptive. You are going to waste 5 minutes at the start and end of every 40 minute class futzing with phones.

I think it has to be in the locker. Kids who don’t have lockers yet, no phone.

Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

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Post by 0dayz »

createaccount99 wrote: post #222
0dayz wrote: post #219

I think that kids under 18 should only be allowed to get dumb phones (effectively phones with gps/preloaded apps for things like transit)

18 is too old, anyone over 12 should have access to the internet 24/7, as a human right.

I do not agree, maybe if websites did their job ensuring that kids didn't have free access to websites that are engineered to keep your attention span for as long as possible.

And still my idea is only for phones and other portable devices with easy internet access, since that's the hardest for society and parents to regulate the kids screen time and ensuring the kids don't have access to sites engineered to keep them on for as long as possible.

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Post by browningstreet »

I have a 16 year old nibbling. Very popular. They shared their phone social life with me just last week. They have 2200 unread text messages and 700 active Snapchat conversations. Not a great student. At home, never comes out of their room. Up past midnight on their phone.

There’s no way allowing them access to their phone during school allows for any schooling to happen. This is what the school system is up against (in certain kinds of privileged high tech communities).

They may already be too old for a hard shift, and it’s too enabled by their home life situation, but their school career already feels set.

Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

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Post by ruthmarx »

exe34 wrote: post #209
ruthmarx wrote: post #185

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So you've never clicked on Twitter links, even when they have been submitted to HN?

I've clicked them by accident, does that count as using? I also "use" adverts then.

You've only clicked them by accident? No that doesn't count as using, it's just hard to believe.

It's like the people who have worked in IT for 20 years but 'never used Windows'.

Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

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Post by ruthmarx »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #216
ruthmarx wrote: post #177

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> It elevates the experience. For who? Not for the people who might want to use one, and for the people who get annoyed seeing someone else using one, that's their problem.

> Not for the people who might want to use one A lot of the people that might want to use one would in fact have a better experience if there was zero or minimal phone use at their table.

Nah. What's true for you isn't true for everyone.

If I go on a date in a high end restaurant and hit it off with my date, I might want to show her something briefly or look up something, and we would both be on bored with it and having a good time.

In that case, the phone is enhancing the experience, not taking away from it.

Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

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Post by GuB-42 »

I am a bit surprised that there is no mention of academic performance, which would be the most obvious indication for a successful policy.

Instead, what the article basically says is that banning phones results in kids spending less time on the phone, which is an improvement if your idea of an improvement is having kids do things that don't involve spending time on the phone. There is some circular reasoning here.

Note that I am not against the idea that phone bans have positive effects on general well being, academic performance, etc... but for me, this article doesn't sell it very well.

Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

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Post by exe34 »

ruthmarx wrote: post #237
exe34 wrote: post #209

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I've clicked them by accident, does that count as using? I also "use" adverts then.

You've only clicked them by accident? No that doesn't count as using, it's just hard to believe. It's like the people who have worked in IT for 20 years but 'never used Windows'.

I only use windows as a dumb terminal to access my Linux system remotely. I'd require a significant payrise to consider using windows as a daily driver.
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