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The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

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Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

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I've been thinking about going back to a dumb phone. Somehow I always find myself using my smartphone in a way that I regret. Wasting time. Staying up too late. Mindlessly snacking while scrolling. Checking for new dopamine hits whenever I get a few moments to spare.

If I were an alcoholic, would it be a good idea to walk around with a bottle of liquor in my pocket?

Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

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> I can literally stare at a wall daydreaming rather than do something. And the contrary is also true - if I'm "stuck" at some fancy place but feel like working (and have means to do so), there's no stopping me. I mean there's a very broad spectrum here, and a slight distraction can be the difference between spending 5 minutes staring at a wall followed by three hours in flow state vs. spending three hours in mindles…

I agree. An adult can ask themselves what they're doing and why and how it aligns with their interests so on (aka have that midlife crisis, haha), a kid probably doesn't yet have enough self-reflection capacity yet. In my perception, distractions are ideally managed through interest management. Make the desired task actually truly desired - and you're guaranteed to not get distracted. And in an ideal environment, the…

> And in an ideal environment, there should be an educator overseeing a kid and asking what went wrong if kid decides they wanna play with their phone instead of working.

The reason primary education is mandatory is because the average kid doesn’t want to sit there learning things. Even some parents barely care. We have collectively decided to force these children to sit through school because we want the population to have at least some basic skills.

Catering to the outliers would not be efficient, sometimes people need to be coerced to set a minimum standard.

Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

#224

It really can't be underestimated either for children or adults how much we are dependent on ease of access. If you're stuck in a room and the only thing you can do is read a math textbook you are going to do it. If you are stuck in a room and you have a math textbook and a novel you now have a choice. A phone? A phone is everything else. You're putting "the thing we are supposed to be doing" and "everything else" in…

"If you're stuck in a room and the only thing you can do is read a math textbook you are going to do it. If you are stuck in a room and you have a math textbook and a novel you now have a choice."

Nope, even then it was easier for me to stare at walls or daydream. That never worked for me :(

Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

#226

Maybe it's a translation issue, but it seems in this article that the effect on school work (i.e. tests, quizzes, reports, homework assignments, etc.) was not studied, as I think the title of the article implies it was. Rather, they studied the phone ban's effect on school culture and bullying. To be clear, I believe a phone ban in schools would have a positive effect on academics, and that that would show up if it w…

There are fewer tests, quizzes, reports and homework assignments in Icelandic grade schools than there used to be, and the results are not great:

https://www.oecd.org/en/publications/pisa-2022-results-volum...

https://icelandmonitor.mbl.is/news/news/2023/12/05/concernin...

Academic performance is somewhat of a burning fire - I'd guess there is less of a translation issue with the article than a cultural and political issue around the topic.

Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

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God, I’d love to see the smartphone/no smartphone sections in restaurants.

Imagine walking into a restaurant and being asked, "Smartphone section or no smartphone section?"

Why not ban at the door? Why not iPhone only?

Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

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I simply don't use either. never have, never will. they do not serve my purpose, so they are irrelevant to my life.

Then it is important for you to recognize that you are a unicorn.

my friends do say "you're so special".

Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

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I use my phone to look up words/concepts/references all the time while reading - I couldn't do without it, flipping through a dictionary or walking up to a computer to read a quick Wikipedia intro to a concept/person/place/etc would just get me far more distracted.

There’s always a reason why we “need” our phone at all times, isn’t there? For the purposes of public policy (where schools are concerned), or even holding a meeting at work, what should be the best recourse?

I imagine when books became available, there were people who complained that people no longer take the time to just contemplate anymore, they always have an excuse for having a book in their hands.

> For the purposes of public policy (where schools are concerned), or even holding a meeting at work, what should be the best recourse?

teach them to use it. it's a tool. teach them how marketing works. teach them how susceptible to misinformation the human mind is. teach them how companies behave as if they are only beholden to shareholder profit and how said companies sell them fast food, sugar, porn and yes, engagement for profit.

the psychological weaknesses of the human mind have been well documented for over a hundred years, and yet the only people we teach that stuff to is marketing students. why is that?

Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

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post #143

It has always felt absolutely bonkers to me that smartphone bans weren't put into place instantly across US schools as soon as they started becoming common. I grew up in the 80s and 90s. If I'd brought a handheld game console like a Gameboy or something into class, it would have been confiscated immediately. Sure, I get it, that's not the same thing; obviously phones have other uses. But there is absolutely zero reas…

I brought a Nokia 3210 to class in 2000s. It was fine. Technically it was prohibited by school rules but nobody cared. As long as you didn’t do anything stupid.

Banning smartphones is such a boomer thing

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