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Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

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Post by Sakos »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #6

Glad to see phone bans become more popular. Jonathan Haidt had it on his list of suggestions to parents, to avoid the anxiety generation continuing. He had a longer list but the four big ones were: No smartphones before high school No social media before 16 No phones in schools More free, independent play

It's extremely weird to me that phones weren't categorically banned in schools until the recent trend. When I went to school in the 90s and early 00s, phones were banned from class, and in some schools I went to, even on campus.

Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

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Post by whaleofatw2022 »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #39
dopylitty wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It should've been expanded into driving a long time ago. There are laws against distracted driving but I still see people weaving around like they're drunk on the roads. When I look into the car they're usually holding a phone (on speakerphone) or holding it up to their ear. People suck at driving enough as it is without driving one handed and distracted.

Isn't it already illegal in most places? (sure peolpe do it anyway, but if you're caught there are heavy fines)

Last year in Michigan it was made a primary offense. Driving was really pleasant for a month or two and they realized nobody enforces it where it would help most.

Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

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Post by Sakos »

pton_xd wrote: post #36
seany wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're doing "no internet connected games", which seems like a reasonable balance.

That makes me a bit sad to hear as a good portion of my social interaction as a kid was via multiplayer games. And all that time spent ended up leading to a career for me. It's a tough decision for you though, games and life in general are quite different now.

The nature of online games has changed. There's a huge difference between the predatory nature of modern multiplayer games vs Battlefield, Counter-Strike, Quake, AoE2, etc.

Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #46
andrei-akopian wrote: post #41

Some schools ban phones but allow laptops and tablets. It is the phones specifically that are the problem, not social media. (apparently) My phone usage dropped after I got a personal laptop and an eBook reader. So did pretty much every one else's. The phone is just really inconvenient for anything other than doomscrolling. In my opinion, the lack of alternative activities is overlooked. It is a ban and a prayer that…

> t is the phones specifically that are the problem, not social media. disagree; it's the social media that's the problem; the phone just makes it possible to access it at all times remove social media and you won't have kids on their phones all the time (or, if you're very lucky, they might use them for something productive)

> remove social media and you won't have kids on their phones all the time

This is a testable hypothesis. We shouldn’t conclude either way without more evidence. As it stands, enforcing a phone ban has advantages over an app one.

Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

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Post by astrobe_ »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #28
docfort wrote: post #2

I don't dispute the facts in the article, but this question kept popping up in my mind: how do they define reading time? I mean, in a too-pedantic sense, smartphone screen time is roughly divided into reading, viewing (photos/videos), and gaming. Given that they are not allowed to take the phones, it seems unlikely that the school knows a student's primary usage mode. For example, a student could be reading a bunch o…

> a student could be reading a bunch of fiction on their phone It's a nice thought, but I have kids that age and never have I once seen this happen or heard of it happening with any of their friends/classmates; that's not what phones are for according to GenZ/GenA

According to everyone, I think. E-readers exist for that precise reason, although actual books are the best according to me: no battery, more resilient, can be lent. Phones are great as dictionaries (notably foreign language dictionaries).

Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

sebzim4500 wrote: post #30
eloisius wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

God, I’d love to see the smartphone/no smartphone sections in restaurants.

What would be the point of a no smartphone section in a restaurant? A concert would make sense though IMO.

> What would be the point of a no smartphone section in a restaurant?

It elevates the experience. Going back to the class thing [1], cell phone on the table or cell-phone use during dining is a noticeable thing between e.g. Michelin-starred restaurants and diners. (And I’m only counting N > 1 tables.)

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41820633

Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

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Post by astrobe_ »

pkphilip wrote: post #8
blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #6

Glad to see phone bans become more popular. Jonathan Haidt had it on his list of suggestions to parents, to avoid the anxiety generation continuing. He had a longer list but the four big ones were: No smartphones before high school No social media before 16 No phones in schools More free, independent play

All very sensible points. I would add no TV at home till 16

You just get hooked to radio and get a weird fetish for voices ;-)
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