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How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by cubefox »

grecy wrote: post #875
andrewla wrote: post #239

I think Ozempic is a treatment of a symptom but not the underlying condition, but unlike many of the posters here, I do not think the underlying condition is "obesity". The below is mostly speculation. Research especially into people with healthy body weight seems to indicate that there is something going on that is causing widespread obesity. That is, there's some sort of environmental "GLP-1 Turbocharger". Maybe it…

You are doing an awful lot of mental gymnastics in search of a boogeyman that does not exist. How mammals ingest, process, store and burn energy has been well understood for a very long time. You know why some domestic dogs and cats are overweight? Is it ADHD or microplastics? Of course not, it’s because they’ve been eating more energy thaN they have been burning for a while. Ozempic only stops you wanting to eat mor…

Obviously he suspects environmental contaminants mess up hormons such that we get more hungry than we are supposed to.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by cubefox »

olddog2 wrote: post #189

I’m pretty sure all the Shortages of Ozempic and mounjaro are due to injector mechanism production factors and the fact that when the drug is transported in a reconstituted fashion in the injector, it needs to be kept in cold chain storage the whole way which makes logistics much much harder My friends and I all live outside of the USA and we can get basically unlimited ampoules of powdered Mounjaro from China. It is…

Arguably it is morally acceptable for them to charge high prices because drug development and doing phase 1/2/3 trials is very expensive. It's also risky, as most drugs fail. If companies aren't allowed to make a big profit when they finally struck gold means to remove the incentive of trying to develop ambitious new drugs.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by cubefox »

tonymet wrote: post #53

Yet another drug that patches up symptoms without addressing the root cause. People will be dependent on the drug for life. And we still don't know what the adverse effects are.

We don't know the root cause yet and therefore can't treat it, so the drug is great for what it is.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by grecy »

ak_111 wrote: post #709
karmajunkie wrote: post #667

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there are numerous studies posted in this thread demonstrating exactly the opposite.

Which studies? I find it hard to imagine that it has been proven that for most people having a low-carb unprocessed meal once a day, no alcohol, and 5-mile daily hikes as the original poster does would would not eliminate sever weight issues. There are clearly minority of people who can only achieve weight loss using drugs but for most people they can achieve the same effect by a lifestyle change, has this been prove…

> There are clearly minority of people who can only achieve weight loss using drugs but

Are you suggesting there are people who can burn more energy than they ingest for a prolonged period of time and not lose weight?

That… would fundamentally rewrite everything we know about how mammals consume energy.

Of course not. Nobody needs drugs to lose weight, they need to consume less energy than they use.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by occz »

karmajunkie wrote: post #672
intothemild wrote: post #662

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So I'm a distance runner, who is on these drugs.. and yeah, It sucks, I LOVE running.. but running heavy SUCKS. Most people run to lose weight, I lose weight to run.

honest to god i wish i knew what it was like to be like you —i have always hated every step of a run, and im halfway convinced the notion of a runners high is a convenient fiction cooked up by nike.

This took me a long time to figure out: it's ok to not like running. There are other forms of physical activity that may appeal more to you, which you can do in place of running. I'm personally into biking, which gets me more than enough exercise.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by ak_111 »

keybored wrote: post #888
ak_111 wrote: post #516

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"Why do we find it acceptable to help people who struggle with alcohol abuse, or nicotine addiction, or opioid addiction, but not to help people who struggle with food abuse?" I think it is because if 90% of the population did half of what you do (and kudos for you for doing it), they wouldn't have a problem with weight, you just happen to be one of the unlucky few where it doesn't work and these drugs are useful.

Commenter: This drug helped me with weight loss. Commenter 2: Kodus to you. Let me just discount your anecdote as being unlucky and keep my current belief. But again, kudos. HN threads on weightloss are an utter waste of time.

This is quite snarky. I was giving kudos because the commentator first exhausted all the lifestyle options that extremely often work in reducing obesity to ensure their issue is more than just lifestyle choice then finally taking the drug, rather than short circuiting the process. This is sensible policy in deciding to take any drug for the rest of your life for a chronic illness.

In other words I was giving kudos that the commentator put in a lot of effort to verify that it was an illness in their case.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by noahjk »

rootusrootus wrote: post #317
jeffbee wrote: post #67

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> Man, the garage is going to be clean and superbly organized in a few weeks.' Manic behaviors also associated with older, popular diet drugs like meth.

I said a few weeks ;-). The garage is pretty big, but not that big. It's going to be gloriously organized in a few weeks because I spend a half hour or so in the evenings to move the project forward. I'm very relaxed about it. I'm just doing exactly what I kept telling myself I should do to make the garage as organized as I want, rather than finding pretty much anything else to do. Decades ago I tried phentermine for…

I read the “in a few weeks” totally differently than the other reply. In my mind, I was thinking, “wow, you’re able to plan that far ahead and stay on track??” And now you say you’re able to accomplish that by dedicating a time block per day?! That’s superhuman level of control that I can only dream of!

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by bool3max »

crazygringo wrote: post #707
supportengineer wrote: post #270

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We all know the problem: processed food and lack of exercise. We all know the solution: Organic vegetables, lean protein, and lots of exercise.

We really don't all know these. There isn't anything even remotely close to a scientific consensus on any of those. There are plenty of scientists who tell you to stop exercising when you want to lose weight, because the exercise leads you to eat more than you would otherwise, and is ultimately self-defeating -- to focus entirely on eating less, and then only add exercise back in once you've reached you target weight…

Yes a scientific consensus for these things would be nice, but in a world where manufacturers of such poisonous garbage control so much of the “science” and research space, can you ever really hope for an honest and realistic one? No.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by ripply »

StefanBatory wrote: post #421
mlsu wrote: post #381

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My view about obesity has shifted dramatically since Ozempic came out. Before this, I didn't think about it too much (I am not obese myself). I notice now that there is a LOT of judgement, bias(?), around obesity, that people, obese or not, carry with them [1]. I certainly carried that bias, and the reason I noticed it was because Ozempic is literally an external substance that you take that simply makes obesity go a…

I was obese myself, and I have different thoughts on that. For me, it was purely an issue of personal falling and willpower issue. I was obese because of a diet I was indulging in; full of unhealthy things and snacks. It was due to nobody else but myself.

You don’t place any blame on the people that marketed and created that diet? Or the regulators who allowed that to happen? At a certain point people’s well being and health should come before a mega corporation’s profits. The whole world would be better off if unhealthy food was more strictly regulated. Children grow up not learning healthy eating habits that last into adult hood and some never learn them.
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