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Machines of loving grace: How AI could transform the world for the better

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Re: Machines of loving grace: How AI could transform the world for the better

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Post by binary132 »

KaiserPro wrote: post #4

One of the sad things about tech is that nobody really looks at history. The same kinds of essays were written about trains, planes and nuclear power. Before lindbergh went off the deepend, he was convinced that "airmen" were gentlemen and could sort out the world's ills. The essay contains a lot of coulds, but doesn't touch on the base problem: human nature. AI will be used to make things cheaper. That is, lots of j…

We are already deep in the throes of a long, slow catastrophe which is not causing a change in course for the better. I’m afraid we can’t count on a hard stop at the end of this particular rope. Anything we can do to escape the heat-death / long-abomination outcome should be done post haste as if we’re already out of time. For so many people, we already are.

Re: Machines of loving grace: How AI could transform the world for the better

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Post by CatWChainsaw »

thrance wrote: post #2

This is basically the tech CEO's version of the book of revelations: "AI will soon come and make everything right with the world, help us and you will be rewarded with a Millennium of bliss in It's presence". I won't comment on the plausibility of what is being said, but regardless, one should beware this type of reasoning. Any action can be justified, if it means bringing about an infinite good. Relevant read: https…

"AI will solve every problem I created and refused to do anything about because there wasn't profit in it! Even though I control the AI! I am an Honest and Trustworthy Person so you can totally believe me!"

Re: Machines of loving grace: How AI could transform the world for the better

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Post by TZubiri »

xpe wrote: post #65
thrance wrote: post #2

This is basically the tech CEO's version of the book of revelations: "AI will soon come and make everything right with the world, help us and you will be rewarded with a Millennium of bliss in It's presence". I won't comment on the plausibility of what is being said, but regardless, one should beware this type of reasoning. Any action can be justified, if it means bringing about an infinite good. Relevant read: https…

Any attempt to connect this to the book of revelations is strained. Amodei uses reasoning and is willing to be corrected and revised; quite the opposite of most “divinely revealed” texts.

I think you misunderstand, both the commenter and the author of the article are referring to and criticizing messiahnic CEOs like Altman. Commenter is agreeing with author.

Re: Machines of loving grace: How AI could transform the world for the better

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Post by TZubiri »

bugglebeetle wrote: post #5

The more recent and consistent rule of technological development, “ For to those who have, more will be given, and they will have an abundance; but from those who have nothing, even what they have will be taken away.”

amen

Re: Machines of loving grace: How AI could transform the world for the better

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Post by TZubiri »

Vecr wrote: post #40
zombiwoof wrote: post #39

does anybody really want a fricking robot serving them drinks at a bar. maybe the bro culture of SF

That's not the question, the question is the ratio between those-who-want-to-serve and those-who-want-to-be-served.

This is so short sighted, the industrial revolution occured 200 years ago. If people wanted completely automated restaurants, mcdonalds would have no employees, the technology for auto-burgers exists, has existed for long, and you frequently consume it.

People want people handling their food, at least in the part they can see. And for the parts they can't see, like bottling their beers, the automation has already happened, and it didn't require 80 exahertz of compute, just a bunch of industrial engineers.

Re: Machines of loving grace: How AI could transform the world for the better

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Post by TZubiri »

xpe wrote: post #73

The linked article is worth reading. Apologies for sounding so dismissive, but after putting in a lot of study myself, I want to warn people here: HN is not a great place for discussing AI safety. As of this writing, I’ve found minimal value in the comments here. A curious and truth-seeking reader should find better forums and sources. I recommend seeking out a structured introduction from experts. One could do worse…

The examples you mentioned: youtube, and a textbook; are not places to discuss, they are assymmetrical ways to consume information, with little input from the reader's part. Have you ever had a meaningful discussion in youtube comments?

Re: Machines of loving grace: How AI could transform the world for the better

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Post by Muromec »

throwaway918299 wrote: post #25
Muromec wrote: post #3

Miquella the kind, pure and radiant, he wields love to shrive clean the hearts of men. There is nothing more terrifying.

I beat Consort Radahn before the nerfs.

Like it was ever difficult. Fingerprint + antspur and you just poke.

Re: Machines of loving grace: How AI could transform the world for the better

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Post by Analemma_ »

TZubiri wrote: post #106
xpe wrote: post #73

The linked article is worth reading. Apologies for sounding so dismissive, but after putting in a lot of study myself, I want to warn people here: HN is not a great place for discussing AI safety. As of this writing, I’ve found minimal value in the comments here. A curious and truth-seeking reader should find better forums and sources. I recommend seeking out a structured introduction from experts. One could do worse…

The examples you mentioned: youtube, and a textbook; are not places to discuss, they are assymmetrical ways to consume information, with little input from the reader's part. Have you ever had a meaningful discussion in youtube comments?

There are great places to discuss AI safety out there, but every time they get mentioned on Hacker News they are subject to sneering middlebrow dismissals. That's sort of the OP's point: this is not a great place to discuss or even meta-discuss the subject.

Re: Machines of loving grace: How AI could transform the world for the better

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Post by kranke155 »

j7ake wrote: post #99
chairmansteve wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are right, but the average person is less happy than in 1970.

Average meaning not gay, not ethnic minority, and not living in China or Soviet Union?

A lot of people actually liked the Soviet Union, post-Stalin.

Re: Machines of loving grace: How AI could transform the world for the better

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Post by TZubiri »

Analemma_ wrote: post #108
TZubiri wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The examples you mentioned: youtube, and a textbook; are not places to discuss, they are assymmetrical ways to consume information, with little input from the reader's part. Have you ever had a meaningful discussion in youtube comments?

There are great places to discuss AI safety out there, but every time they get mentioned on Hacker News they are subject to sneering middlebrow dismissals. That's sort of the OP's point: this is not a great place to discuss or even meta-discuss the subject.

"There are great places to discuss AI safety out there"

Like where?

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