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How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by wiseowise »

orangecat wrote: post #384
indiebat wrote: post #17

I don’t want this to come out insensitive or from under the rock, but why is taking a drug a novel & cool idea (all of a sudden/recently) as opposed to good old fashioned working out and not eating more than what you need? okay, this drug is all kinds of great and it’s the next best thing since green grapes, still not eating more and workout is better than taking drugs that effect your brain right? Are doctors requir…

Why are we bothering with contraception and STD vaccines when people should just not have sex unless they're trying to get pregnant?

I’m sure you’ll find a lot of people in certain circle who’ll share the same view.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by wiseowise »

rootusrootus wrote: post #656
sensanaty wrote: post #595

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I don't like processed foods and sugar in anything more than minimal quantities makes me ill. But I still get too many calories, at least as evidenced by my waistline. Are you sure the insanity isn't the assumption that it's just insufficient willpower or poor habits?

It’s statistically impossible for those 40% of obese people to be like you.

90% of them would fall into overweight in a course of multiple months if they’ve dropped sugar.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by unlikelytomato »

onionisafruit wrote: post #793
unlikelytomato wrote: post #746

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would say my concerns are far more in the range of downstream effects from the medication. Specifically, I am concerned with muscle retention. Concerns aside, it's a little hard of an argument to swallow having visited many other countries where these things are simply not an issue. How can it be argued that the cause is anything other than behavior when so many others are doing just fine? There is more to this sto…

Are you saying that us fatties should move to those other countries where our “behavior” will be kept in check?

I don't understand the hostility. I am attempting to discuss the topic on a discussion site. My point is not too instruct any one person on what the exact correct solution is. However, I find the selective vision with this topic to be dishonest and ultimately damaging to the conversation(and progress by extension). One can still come to the conclusion that drugs tip the balance positivity enough to use them without sweeping other realities under the rug.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by sph »

rootusrootus wrote: post #574
sph wrote: post #277

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can see that in the lab-grown burger space already: it is a massive opportunity for companies to create an ultra-processed version of meat, and label it as healthy as the public opinion has gone blindly against meat and on the vegan bandwagon. They'll claim it's more eco-friendly, they can sell it 5x the price of beef and rake billions.

> public opinion has gone blindly against meat Only if you spend too much time online. In the grocery store, I don't see any indication that meat substitutes are gaining traction. If anything, popularity seems to be ebbing. The people choosing fake beef for their burgers are a tiny minority.

True, the point is that the online minority is the loudest and in this day and age they drive change. I heard talks of taxing red meat in UK, for example, which is absolutely ludicrous.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by grecy »

ironman1478 wrote: post #631
grecy wrote: post #94

My god no. I'm 42 and I've never taken more than the odd painkiller or antibiotic here or there - less than a pill a year on average I'm sure. The last thing in the world I want is to be permanently on some drug that alters how my body works. I hike, snowboard, go to the gym and eat sensibly. That's all the "weight control" I need.

` I hike, snowboard, go to the gym and eat sensibly. That's all the "weight control" I need.` So you are likely in an income bracket that enables you to have an active lifestyle outside of work and take the time outside of work to cook, in addition to probably other hobbies. this is not a criticism of you, but if I had to guess, you simply have a life that many other's do not. I work out and take care of myself becau…

And you think the solution is a prescription drug?

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by martin82 »

Don't think the hype will last long at all, since this ridiculous drug has extremely bad side effects, and works by enriching the body with millions of small fat cells that are all ready to blow up the moment you stop taking the drug. Or in orher words, it's a trap. If you take it, you have to take it forever and suffer extreme side effects, if you stop taking it, you will turn into a fat pig, worse than before, and you gained nothing.

It absolutely boggles my mind to always see Americans swallow everything and anything that big pharma serves them. It's insane behaviour.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by iLoveOncall »

rootusrootus wrote: post #10

I'd think it more likely that it'll be one of the next generation drugs, but I do agree with the premise that it will be really common. A few weeks ago I started a low dose of tirzepatide (aka Mounjaro, aka Zepbound) and the side effects are interesting. The biggest negative, which just takes adjustment, is drastically lower stomach capacity. Used to be that two eggs and two pieces of toast was breakfast. Now I bette…

> The biggest negative, which just takes adjustment, is drastically lower stomach capacity. Used to be that two eggs and two pieces of toast was breakfast. Now I better skip at least one of those pieces of toast or I'm going to feel overfull and might get reflux as punishment.

If you want to be successful long term in your weight loss, especially after stopping the drug, you should really invest in changing your mindset.

This is a massive positive, not at all a negative.

You got fat because you ate too much. If you don't understand what are normal portions now, you'll go back to your starting weight as soon as the drug isn't having effects anymore.

This is a lifestyle change that you MUST embrace to be successful long term.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by tomp »

CM30 wrote: post #463
vundercind wrote: post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s been studied pretty well. Possible effective solutions to the US obesity epidemic are pretty much limited to: 1) Radically alter aspects of food culture, work culture, social policy, and business regulation. 2) Magic pill (/injection) There appears to be no imminent progress on the many parts of #1 that need serious work, so if we want a big turn-around in the next half-century, #2 has suddenly and surprisingly…

Sounds similar to most major world/cultural issues today. You can make the exact same argument about climate change for example. But at the same time, part of me wants to ask... why is this a problem? Why shouldn't we just use science and technology to fix human problems and remove any unfortunate consequences from society? What's wrong with a world where anyone can eat as much of anything as they want, do no exercis…

Because some of us want the real thing, not the fake thing achieved by cheaters.

I'm the same in other areas of life. I don't take steroids, I work out in the gym. I don't take drugs to have trips and achieve enlightenment, I tried to find Zen on my own.

I wouldn't partner with someone who had a cosmetic surgery ("fake beauty"), nor someone who wears makeup.

Up to every individual of course, I'm not even saying I will never take TRT (probably eventually, when I'm older, for health reasons), but I, above everything else, value (and want) authenticity.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by Veen »

edanm wrote: post #814
unlikelytomato wrote: post #746

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would say my concerns are far more in the range of downstream effects from the medication. Specifically, I am concerned with muscle retention. Concerns aside, it's a little hard of an argument to swallow having visited many other countries where these things are simply not an issue. How can it be argued that the cause is anything other than behavior when so many others are doing just fine? There is more to this sto…

> Concerns aside, it's a little hard of an argument to swallow having visited many other countries where these things are simply not an issue. Which countries? As far as I know, most Western countries have roughly similar issues with obesity, at least directionally.

It can be quite eye-opening to travel from say, the UK to Hungary. Walk down a busy street in London and you'll see many overweight people. Walk down a similar street in Budapest, and you'll see very few.
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