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Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by archsurface » Sat, Oct 12, 2024, 1:07 AM UTC

brianmcc wrote: post #607

archsurface wrote: post #601

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You mention types of food but not quantities. A boat load of healthy food is still going to have an effect. Also, I for one don't consider walking to be exercise. It's fake exercise for people who don't like exercise to claim they exercise. My reason is that I cycle for eight months of the year then walk during the rainy months. By the end of the rainy months I get back on the bike and my fitness level is catastrophi…

To be fair OP did say: >> And you know what it is? It's volume. I eat too much.

I missed that.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by arijo » Sat, Oct 12, 2024, 1:08 AM UTC

slothtrop wrote: post #740

arijo wrote: post #573

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Cut on carbs and you will have all the benefits without the nasty side effects. Check https://metabolicmind.org for details. My own experience with the keto diet - https://www.feelingbuggy.com/p/finding-hope-after-decades-of...

You can just cut ultra-refined foods i.e. junk foods. No one is getting obese from lentils, broccoli and apples. Even so, avoiding weight gain is one thing and losing weight is another. While it helps to increase ratio of protein and fiber intake for satiety, that in itself does not guarantee a caloric deficit, which is what is necessary for weight loss.

If your primary macro consumption is fat, your body will enter a state of ketosis burning fat instead of glucose. As long as your calorie intake of fat is less than your basal metabolism corrected by some factor, you will lose weight and feel satiated - you do not need to follow a calories restriction. Believe me - I tried both ways and the ketogenic diet never left hungry - always satiated.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by Izkata » Sat, Oct 12, 2024, 1:09 AM UTC

Etheryte wrote: post #681

arijo wrote: post #573

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Cut on carbs and you will have all the benefits without the nasty side effects. Check https://metabolicmind.org for details. My own experience with the keto diet - https://www.feelingbuggy.com/p/finding-hope-after-decades-of...

This is about as useful as telling someone who's obese to just eat less. Factually yes, it might help them, but practically they're clearly unable to implement it, probably for a plethora of underlying reasons.

For Millennials in the US, it might be very useful. We grew up with this food pyramid being pushed at us all the time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_pyramid_%28nutrition%29?u...

That's a lot of carbs. Only like 3 years ago did I learn they changed it around 20 years ago to be less carb-centric.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by unlikelytomato » Sat, Oct 12, 2024, 1:15 AM UTC

brianmcc wrote: post #610

colordrops wrote: post #521

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Have you every using a calorie/macro tracking app like My Fitness Pal or Cronometer? I was never successful losing weight until I scanned, weighed, and measured every single thing I put into my body and stuck to the target calories and macros entered into the app. Just being aware of exactly how much I was eating was often enough to find the motivation to control volume.

>> I scanned, weighed, and measured every single thing I put into my body Not being snarky, but is this truly "better" than a single weekly injection - 10 seconds and done for the week? I do think our wider society sees medications for overeating as "cheating". Perhaps we might benefit from rethinking that.

There is a reason for that perception. We are regularly finding out how there are damaging ripple effects from drugs that were claimed to be completely safe.

I would compare something like scale measurements to sex education. If kids were all exposed to some period of measurement of foods to learn what they were eating, it would stick. Studies show that ANY form of tracking causes people to make more mindful choices. Everyone I know personally that is taking these drugs uses it as a crutch entirely. They take it and make even worse food choices than before. It's very sad and I worry about the next issue they will cause with this behavior to then stack another medication on top.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by slothtrop » Sat, Oct 12, 2024, 1:16 AM UTC

arijo wrote: post #752

slothtrop wrote: post #740

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can just cut ultra-refined foods i.e. junk foods. No one is getting obese from lentils, broccoli and apples. Even so, avoiding weight gain is one thing and losing weight is another. While it helps to increase ratio of protein and fiber intake for satiety, that in itself does not guarantee a caloric deficit, which is what is necessary for weight loss.

If your primary macro consumption is fat, your body will enter a state of ketosis burning fat instead of glucose. As long as your calorie intake of fat is less than your basal metabolism corrected by some factor, you will lose weight and feel satiated - you do not need to follow a calories restriction. Believe me - I tried both ways and the ketogenic diet never left hungry - always satiated.

I'm aware of how keto works. In fad diets focused on composition, short run WL is typical followed by stagnation. What's one going to do when they stop losing weight, eat negative carbs?

> you do not need to follow a calories restriction.

Weight loss comes down to energy balance. People tend to consume fewer calories at the outset when going low-fat or low-carb (in large part because protein is afforded a higher fraction, and it is more satiating), but clearly that does not mean that you'll always have a caloric deficit. Eventually, you'll need to reduce intake to continue losing weight.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by bronzekaiser » Sat, Oct 12, 2024, 1:20 AM UTC

knowitnone wrote: post #551

chairmansteve wrote: post #396

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The government isn't going to help you. This evening, go for a one minute walk. Tomorrow evening do the same. Next evening do the same. Repeat. The journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step.

one minute? I'm sure that's not going help anyone to walk for one minute. 30 minutes at a minimum. 60 is good, 120 is great!

most people dont have 2 hours a day to walk around in circles

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by squidgedcricket » Sat, Oct 12, 2024, 1:22 AM UTC

andrewla wrote: post #351

jncfhnb wrote: post #248

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You think ozempic is counteracting this mystery force and it is mere unrelated coincidence that it results in eating substantially less?

Yes? A lizard whose bite makes its prey eat less is crazy but it exists. A lizard whose bite makes its prey eat more is also crazy, but maybe it exists? The first lizard is literal, the second lizard is a stand-in for whatever mystery force I am postulating the existence of. When you look at the historic literature on diet and nutrition from the first half of the century it's like looking into another universe. Peopl…

The food changed substantially. Lot's of other stuff changed too, but we're talking about the transition from malnutrition to obesity over a few generations and the make up of what we ingest strongly impacts that.

Mass production and consumerism of food created perverse incentives that resulted in drastic changes to diets - different macronutrient profiles, new ingredients (emulsifiers, artificial sweeteners), and new manufacturing byproducts (residual solvents, pfas, plastic). You can still opt-out of mass produced food and move to the bush to live a subsistence life, and you'll still be ingesting plastic and pfas.

Part of the reason this is so hard to grapple with is that (in the USA) almost no one alive was an adult before the food industry industrialized. I'm 40 and my parents and grandparents rode the initial waves of processed garbage.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by Izkata » Sat, Oct 12, 2024, 1:28 AM UTC

brianmcc wrote: post #610

colordrops wrote: post #521

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you every using a calorie/macro tracking app like My Fitness Pal or Cronometer? I was never successful losing weight until I scanned, weighed, and measured every single thing I put into my body and stuck to the target calories and macros entered into the app. Just being aware of exactly how much I was eating was often enough to find the motivation to control volume.

>> I scanned, weighed, and measured every single thing I put into my body Not being snarky, but is this truly "better" than a single weekly injection - 10 seconds and done for the week? I do think our wider society sees medications for overeating as "cheating". Perhaps we might benefit from rethinking that.

There is one way it may be useful, even if only done for a short time: You may not be eating what you think you're eating.

I started doing it mostly out of curiosity, and it turned out one of the meals I thought it was high-calorie was actually lower than my other meals.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by squidgedcricket » Sat, Oct 12, 2024, 1:28 AM UTC

OptionOfT wrote: post #420

As someone who struggled with their weight his whole life, this medication is a god send. My wife and I cook every evening. We never eat food made in a factory. We buy raw products and spend a good amount of time every day cooking them. Every morning I wake up and go on a 5 mile hike. And still weight kept on coming on. Worse yet, I am on ADHD medication, which are amphetamines and actually make you lose weight. Yet.…

Would you mind sharing what your diet was like as a child?

I wonder if there's a connection between diet during development and adult processing of and cravings for food. Maybe eating candy for breakfast (cookiecrisp!) every day in elementary school messed a bunch of us up.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by itsoktocry » Sat, Oct 12, 2024, 1:29 AM UTC

mlsu wrote: post #381

robohydrate wrote: post #299

I've been on tirzepatide (Mounjaro) for 4 months now. I'm down 13% of my body weight. I realized that frequent cannabis consumption interferes with the weight loss, so I've kicked the habit from daily to occasionally on weekends. I've started walking 2-3 miles a day, 2-3 days a week regularly, in addition to eating less and being more motivated to calorie count. All this to say, this drug has been life changing for m…

My view about obesity has shifted dramatically since Ozempic came out. Before this, I didn't think about it too much (I am not obese myself). I notice now that there is a LOT of judgement, bias(?), around obesity, that people, obese or not, carry with them [1]. I certainly carried that bias, and the reason I noticed it was because Ozempic is literally an external substance that you take that simply makes obesity go a…

For me, personally, it's that we don't really know the long term effects of these drugs ie are you actually "healthier". But we do know that diet and exercise work.