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How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by cam_l »

Alupis wrote: post #457
dyauspitr wrote: post #376

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Sounds like a miracle drug that helps with all afflictions that come with our modern life/sedentary living.

The problem with this (and all diet plans/drugs) is the lifestyle that led to problem in the first place. If you do not change your lifestyle, for real and not just superficially, then you will relapse with a vengeance. That is to say, be careful with using a drug as a crutch. Sure, it can artificially make you much more interested in not consuming so many calories and/or perhaps being more active than before - but y…

I figure for some people it will work as a crutch and for some it will work as a prosthetic. I guess that depends on whether you need to take some weight off and allow yourself to heal, or if you are actually missing that appendage. Metaphorically.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by colordrops »

brianmcc wrote: post #610
colordrops wrote: post #521

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Have you every using a calorie/macro tracking app like My Fitness Pal or Cronometer? I was never successful losing weight until I scanned, weighed, and measured every single thing I put into my body and stuck to the target calories and macros entered into the app. Just being aware of exactly how much I was eating was often enough to find the motivation to control volume.

>> I scanned, weighed, and measured every single thing I put into my body Not being snarky, but is this truly "better" than a single weekly injection - 10 seconds and done for the week? I do think our wider society sees medications for overeating as "cheating". Perhaps we might benefit from rethinking that.

For preventable diseases in general, prevention and self control should be attempted before medication. There are health benefits besides being skinny, and all medications have side effects. There's nothing inherently wrong with medication, but addressing the root cause should be tried first, and then medication can be introduced if it doesn't work out. It's not an either-or, binary situation.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by avelis »

0xcde4c3db wrote: post #602

I think we desperately need to answer the question of why GLP-1 agonists are so effective, and particularly whether it's counteracting something in the environment that has been acting to reduce GLP-1 (or other glucagon-related pathway) activity without us realizing it. The obesity data practically screams that something happened in North America ca. 1980 that messed up our metabolisms, and it may have spread to Euro…

One aspect is that the US food system as a crap ton of UPF.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by Me001 »

autoexec wrote: post #569
j-a-a-p wrote: post #520

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The willpower frame actually works pretty well for a lot of people. If not than in our society almost everybody would be obese. This pill will make things worse for the group that hangs out in the treadmills and drinks green and disgusting smoothies. On topic, very happy this medicine exists, but let's pray god will keep the prescription only for BMI > 35.

> The willpower frame actually works pretty well for a lot of people. If not than in our society almost everybody would be obese. In the US nearly 75% of the population is overweight and almost half are clinically obese. Sounds like "willpower" isn't working for the vast majority of people.

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Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by avelis »

andrewla wrote: post #239

I think Ozempic is a treatment of a symptom but not the underlying condition, but unlike many of the posters here, I do not think the underlying condition is "obesity". The below is mostly speculation. Research especially into people with healthy body weight seems to indicate that there is something going on that is causing widespread obesity. That is, there's some sort of environmental "GLP-1 Turbocharger". Maybe it…

I could suppose it's some of all of this. But my money is on UPF. The author of Ultra Processed People has an identical twin in NJ while he lives in the UK and their weights are vastly different.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by pajeets »

anigbrowl wrote: post #398
IncreasePosts wrote: post #3

My biggest fear is either there will be long term negative consequences to Ozempic et al, and a huge swath of the population will be dealing with issues 30 years form now - OR - there will be some long term positive consequence to using Ozempic et al, and I'm not getting any of the benefits because I'm not overweight.

OR - there will be some long term positive consequence to using Ozempic et al, and I'm not getting any of the benefits because I'm not overweight Who the fuck cares? If you're not overweight and are reasonably then you're already winning in physiological terms. If you can maintain a good quality of life into old age and then die, what more do you want? Going through life worrying about whether you're missing out on s…

i think overweightness should be seen more as a symptom and I share parent's concerns about ozempic's long term side effects being unknowable in the present

all in all general unease about dealing with symptoms and not the root cause of overweightness except in rare genetic cases, its overwhelmingly a dietary/exercise issue.

in this country the pill/drug is the answer and solution to everything but all this does is pile on more bandages without addressing the root cause which a very American solution.

I do not think the full ramifications are realized or knowable when there are profits to be made on both side of the fence, sort of like the whole opiate crisis in America started out as magazine ads blew up into a major crisis 20~30 years later.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by comechao »

robohydrate wrote: post #299

I've been on tirzepatide (Mounjaro) for 4 months now. I'm down 13% of my body weight. I realized that frequent cannabis consumption interferes with the weight loss, so I've kicked the habit from daily to occasionally on weekends. I've started walking 2-3 miles a day, 2-3 days a week regularly, in addition to eating less and being more motivated to calorie count. All this to say, this drug has been life changing for m…

I'm not sure if you tried but add a sport, can be table tenis, jiu-jitsu whatever. I did this too after got comfortable with the walks (that I still do).

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by rootusrootus »

nostromo wrote: post #615
rootusrootus wrote: post #605

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> For the longest time people argued if overweight people ate too much or not. Maybe uneducated people, but when was the last time anyone seriously doubted that excess calories make you fat? For serious people the discussion has always been about how to reduce the calories, because "just eat less" is provably ineffective. Simple minded people continuously suggest otherwise, but data really doesn't support their intui…

It’s never been as black and white as you’re saying. Lot’s of medical practitioners will even advise you that it’s the quality of food you eat, more so than the quantity. Look at all the published research around processed foods and ultra-processed foods. Other nutritionists will advise you that obesity is all about your macros. And that if you want to lose weight you need to increase fat and protein intake and limit…

All of those are permutations on the fundamental argument, not standalone arguments themselves. The idea with changing the quality of the food is that you'll eat less overall. Same with trying to adjust macros -- only unserious people suggest that calories are somehow different depending on source. The argument is that empty calories are less satisfying and will you to eat more overall. It is all just different approaches to finding a strategy for eating fewer calories overall.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by karmajunkie »

arijo wrote: post #600
dyauspitr wrote: post #376

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Sounds like a miracle drug that helps with all afflictions that come with our modern life/sedentary living.

It's not a miracle drug. Check this Joe Rogan interview to understand at a deep level all the problems with a drug like Ozempic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0lTyhvOeJs

you lost the debate the moment you cite joe rogan.
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