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How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by ironman1478 »

grecy wrote: post #94

My god no. I'm 42 and I've never taken more than the odd painkiller or antibiotic here or there - less than a pill a year on average I'm sure. The last thing in the world I want is to be permanently on some drug that alters how my body works. I hike, snowboard, go to the gym and eat sensibly. That's all the "weight control" I need.

` I hike, snowboard, go to the gym and eat sensibly. That's all the "weight control" I need.`

So you are likely in an income bracket that enables you to have an active lifestyle outside of work and take the time outside of work to cook, in addition to probably other hobbies. this is not a criticism of you, but if I had to guess, you simply have a life that many other's do not. I work out and take care of myself because I make $300k+, have less worries and responsibilities, and I actually have an easier job than when I was making less.

A lot of people don't have money or don't have the time for working out and making the correct meal choices. Yes, there are people who have money and time and are still overweight, however that is not the norm as you go up the income brackets. Many poorer people have long work days, with an additional long commute, and are more likely to have kids, meaning they have no time for themselves. They're not gonna go to the gym if they already have a long day and they probably aren't going to make healthy food choices when they're already beat up and have not a lot of time for themselves.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by sundvor »

taejavu wrote: post #531
OptionOfT wrote: post #420

As someone who struggled with their weight his whole life, this medication is a god send. My wife and I cook every evening. We never eat food made in a factory. We buy raw products and spend a good amount of time every day cooking them. Every morning I wake up and go on a 5 mile hike. And still weight kept on coming on. Worse yet, I am on ADHD medication, which are amphetamines and actually make you lose weight. Yet.…

What kind of food do you and your wife cook? How much meat? How much gluten? Real butter or canola oil infused “spreads”? What oil do you cook with? Vegetable? Sunflower? If you’re eating the right thing for your body, you’ll be satiated when you eat your full.

(I only cook with extra virgin olive oil which I buy in 5L cans for $$ reasons. A lot of these vegetable oils are good for motor engines only!).

It really depends on you and the activity levels.

I used to ride to and from work - and I would ride hard, a solid 1.5 hour of riding every single workday. Yet this just caused me to gain weight as my appetite just shot through the roof. This new drug would have been SO good for me back then.

These days I find it easier to control my weight with regular strength exercise vs riding, as I tend to go too hard on the riding which causes me to feel famished. And then the control is just hard.

However when I just do (Olympic barbell) weights, a bacon, egg and onion + cheese omelette in real butter and EVOO does the trick to break my IF then, along with a WPI/milk shake- I get stronger and also lose weight. No need to keep eating. However, I'll then do cardio a couple of times per week which tends to undo the weight progress; I guess the real trick would be to stop doing the hard intervals I love on the Kickr, but going slow on the bike is nearly impossible for me. :-)

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by geoka9 »

Spivak wrote: post #98
BoingBoomTschak wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, the negative consequence on the value of willpower is pretty obvious. "In what measure" is the real question.

You have the completely wrong take on this. Dieting destroys your relationship with food. Basically every adult woman exhibits some level of disordered eating because of it— "girl dinner" is both funny because it's true and sad. Being able to lose weight while continuing to eat is a wonderful thing. There is no virtue in spending your willpower making your body do something it desperately doesn't want to do. That's s…

Normally dieting shouldn't be necessary to maintain healthy weight though? One could eat a whole lot of salad (with some serious dressing) and a piece of meat and even a little starchy side (some potatoes or similar) 3 times a day and not gain weight. Throw in some regular moderate exercise and you're golden.

Granted, once you go past middle age, it can become a bit more complicated.

Someone brought up doughnuts as an example, but that's a ridiculous source of calories: I could probably down half a dozen doughnuts (a daily calorie budget) and then go for a normal meal afterwards.

Eating only becomes disordered if one can't be bothered to eat healthy food as a rule and then freaks out about weight gain as a result.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by paulddraper »

mrshadowgoose wrote: post #604
unclad5968 wrote: post #585

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In what ways is fitness not within reach for a large portion of the population?

Studies have repeatedly shown that lifestyle modification does not result in sustained weight loss for most. Not going to waste my time providing sources to remedy your ignorance. You are more than capable of doing this research yourself.

Nor will I waste time proving the opposite.

Until next time we meet on the internet. :salute:

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by JamesBarney »

mrshadowgoose wrote: post #604
unclad5968 wrote: post #585

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what ways is fitness not within reach for a large portion of the population?

Studies have repeatedly shown that lifestyle modification does not result in sustained weight loss for most. Not going to waste my time providing sources to remedy your ignorance. You are more than capable of doing this research yourself.

Yeah the problem with providing a study is that proving a negative is so hard. Everyone assumes there exists a successful RCT with a 5-10 year time horizon for weight loss via lifestyle interventions. And there just isn't one, and the only way to know that is to search for one.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by metabagel »

Alupis wrote: post #457
dyauspitr wrote: post #376

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Sounds like a miracle drug that helps with all afflictions that come with our modern life/sedentary living.

The problem with this (and all diet plans/drugs) is the lifestyle that led to problem in the first place. If you do not change your lifestyle, for real and not just superficially, then you will relapse with a vengeance. That is to say, be careful with using a drug as a crutch. Sure, it can artificially make you much more interested in not consuming so many calories and/or perhaps being more active than before - but y…

> The problem with this (and all diet plans/drugs) is the lifestyle that led to problem in the first place.

I don't think we fully know what led to the problem in the first place.

I think it's a complex interaction between the types of foods we eat, and which are more affordable, our gut microbiome, and the amount and frequency of exercise which we are able to fit into our day.

We have some pretty good ideas that reducing intake of high glycemic foods, safely reducing overall calorie intake, and getting regular exercise will help.

However, it's the bad food which many families can most afford. Many people find it difficult to make time for exercise, since they are pretty exhausted from making a living. The foods which are bad for us tend to make us feel good in the short term.

When a person has become obese, it is harder to start exercising, and it's harder to find exercises which don't hurt their feet, joints, back, or other parts of their body.

Ideally, we would all have copious time to exercise, and healthy food would be abundant and affordable. But, that's generally not the case for most people.

And some people seem to be genetically predisposed to gain weight.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by dennis_jeeves2 »

incognito124 wrote: post #627
dennis_jeeves2 wrote: post #563

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>eating healthy and exercising is not enough for a lot That's because both these interventions when followed in the way they are commonly understood are near completely incorrect. I blame the govt/medical profession for this. Other factors: again I blame govt/medical profession for this - example it's difficult to get unprocessed food unless one reads labels carefully. For example it is near impossible to get milk th…

Wait, what is wrong with Vitamin D?

Vitamin D produces short-term results, in the long run it is harmful.

I cannot find a good article on it at the moment but dig around and you should be able to find it. And yes I know people rave about vitamin D.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by tjpnz »

mort96 wrote: post #556
globular-toast wrote: post #529

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I think there's a few factors at play: 1. People might want to help, but they don't think taking a pill every day for the rest of your life is a proper solution. I'm not aware of any such things for other addictions you mention, 2. People don't want other people to have it easier than they did. "I had to diet and exercise etc, you should too", 3. People don't want to help. They want other people to be fat because it…

re: 1, there are plenty of people who take some medication at some interval for most of their life. People with ADHD, people with type 1 diabetes, most women, ... why do we find that totally unproblematic, but as soon as it's medication to help with obesity (which is a serious medical condition in its own right) it's suddenly such a big problem? EDIT: And to be clear, there may be specifics with these particular drug…

As someone who takes meds for ADHD and would benefit from Ozempic I'm still hesitant. There aren't any non-drug options for my ADHD but there's a proven one for my weight.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by kbelder »

setgree wrote: post #13

There's some evidence that Ozempic improves general impulse control, e.g decreasing alcohol consumption [0], which the article mentions. Also, as Tyler Cowen writes [1], this is probably going to translate into big improvements for animal welfare: > People lose weight on these drugs because they eat less, and eating less usually means eating less meat. And less meat consumption results in less factory farming. This s…

>There's some evidence that Ozempic improves general impulse control

While remaining on the drug.

I expect your impulse control will be even worse after getting off of it, but I don't have a study to back that up.

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