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Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by grayhatter »

pugets wrote: post #341
arcticbull wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "Just eat less and exercise more" is trite. If it were that easy, we'd all be in fantastic shape. Studies show it just doesn't work. There was a massive (18,000,000 people) cohort analysis published in 2023 that showed the likelihood of someone losing 5% of their body weight in any given year was 1 in 11 and the likelihood of going from severely obese to normal weight is 1 in 1667. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/…

It does work. It couldn't not work. Each day of your life, you choose to do one of three things: 1. Consume more calories than your body will need to function 2. Consume as many calories as your body will need to function 3. Consume fewer calories than your body will need to function When you consume more energy than you require, your body stores the remainder as fat. When you consume less energy than is required, yo…

So if understanding the equation about how humans can obtain and maintain a healthy diet/weight is as simple as you present here. Why doesn't everybody just do that?

You say yourself, it couldn't not work. And yet there's hundreds of thousands of people that say it didn't work. Explain them, are they lying?

I'd assert, the oversimplified explanation is misleading. It's only true in the same way that drinking cold water will help you lose more weight than warm water. True or not, reality seems to strongly suggest it's irrelevant

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by stronglikedan »

robohydrate wrote: post #299

I've been on tirzepatide (Mounjaro) for 4 months now. I'm down 13% of my body weight. I realized that frequent cannabis consumption interferes with the weight loss, so I've kicked the habit from daily to occasionally on weekends. I've started walking 2-3 miles a day, 2-3 days a week regularly, in addition to eating less and being more motivated to calorie count. All this to say, this drug has been life changing for m…

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Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by golergka »

llamaimperative wrote: post #256
gcr wrote: post #229

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If you have an open mind, I'd like to assign you some homework if you like. Take a look around r/zepbound and count the following: 1. Posts from folks who diet+exercise, or who have tried diet/exercise and nothing's worked so they then turned to Zepbound ("excited to hit the gym," "my diet is finally starting to work with Zepbound" and similar) 2. Posts from folks who haven't tried diet/exercise and turned to Zepboun…

GP isn't talking about self-control, they're talking about the fact we've created a system that requires obscene amounts of self-control if you wish to maintain physical health. People in the 50s weren't slimmer because they had ironclad determination to stay such.

> a system that requires obscene amounts of self-control if you wish to maintain physical health

That's million years of evolution with food scarcity and modern capitalist world which created unprecedented abundance of food (and other things). And before you compare it to Europe — europeans still smoke much more than americans. Tobacco is also just a chemical that decreases effects of obesity, just in a different form.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by golergka »

mlyle wrote: post #330
llamaimperative wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GP isn't talking about self-control, they're talking about the fact we've created a system that requires obscene amounts of self-control if you wish to maintain physical health. People in the 50s weren't slimmer because they had ironclad determination to stay such.

> People in the 50s weren't slimmer because they had ironclad determination to stay such. No. They lived in an overall healthier environment. But they were also subject to much greater social pressure to stay slim and could endure fairly intense social judgment and stigmatization for weights that we consider normal (particularly women).

They smoked.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by card_zero »

robohydrate wrote: post #324
yieldcrv wrote: post #309

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Sounds like a kickstart you needed! Aside from the disruption in cravings, the immediate results seem to have motivated you to do more.

You can't imagine how empowering it is to be able to say "No." to food. I stopped eating dessert except once a week. I can be in the company of other people and surrounded by delicious food and not feel the compulsion to eat until I am nauseous.

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Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by dyauspitr »

vessenes wrote: post #313
robohydrate wrote: post #299

I've been on tirzepatide (Mounjaro) for 4 months now. I'm down 13% of my body weight. I realized that frequent cannabis consumption interferes with the weight loss, so I've kicked the habit from daily to occasionally on weekends. I've started walking 2-3 miles a day, 2-3 days a week regularly, in addition to eating less and being more motivated to calorie count. All this to say, this drug has been life changing for m…

Tirzepatide and Semaglutide are both known to reduce addiction / substance ingestion. I noticed I was just less interested in Alcohol when I started on Wegovy, and didn't realize it's a common effect until much later. I retained most of my disinterest after going off, too, FWIW.

Sounds like a miracle drug that helps with all afflictions that come with our modern life/sedentary living.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by beezlebroxxxxxx »

lol768 wrote: post #319

> How long til we're all on Ozempic? It's genuinely quite depressing that so many people in the United States have a weight problem that the overwhelming majority of the population would benefit from this and headlines including "we are all" are not inaccurate. I don't think other countries are necessarily perfect here, but 74% of Americans don't have a healthy weight when you look at their BMI. That's a staggering s…

I agree. I think the conversation has unfortunately been dominated by an individualistic strain of moral judgement. Whether so and so, this person or that person, should take Ozempic-like drugs is often discussed in binary terms of near moral and personal failing or not. I think the drugs are helpful to people who really need them --- so long as the people really need them.

The problem is that conversation overshadows the much more important big picture conversation: An entire nation is now becoming synonymous with poor health from obesity and we're not addressing many of the core nationwide reasons for that.

America was once proud of and eager to prove how fit and able its people were. Now the very idea of proper nutrition and exercise is deemed a nonstarter, "impossible", or an imposition on personal liberties. The existence of Ozempic-like drugs should not absolve us from the imperative to change how we live as a nation for the sake of our health.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by kps »

mlyle wrote: post #330
llamaimperative wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GP isn't talking about self-control, they're talking about the fact we've created a system that requires obscene amounts of self-control if you wish to maintain physical health. People in the 50s weren't slimmer because they had ironclad determination to stay such.

> People in the 50s weren't slimmer because they had ironclad determination to stay such. No. They lived in an overall healthier environment. But they were also subject to much greater social pressure to stay slim and could endure fairly intense social judgment and stigmatization for weights that we consider normal (particularly women).

> They lived in an overall healthier environment.

They lived in a different environment. The universal appetite-reduction drug was nicotine, and the common methods of administration had a number of undesirable side effects.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by outworlder »

rqtwteye wrote: post #4

It's a pretty sad thought that everybody will be on a drug that keeps weight in check while most people will still eat a basically toxic diet. Weight is certainly an important factor but there is more to a healthy life.

> while most people will still eat a basically toxic diet.

Had to scroll too far to find this. It's a great synergy isn't it? The food industry creates calorie concoctions that can barely be called food, are dirt cheap to make and rakes in profits. People get sick. The pharmaceutical industry sells drugs are stupid high profit margins so that people can keep on living.

It is not a conspiracy, but it's a good feedback loop for corporations. All that money allow them to flood the scientific community with their sponsored studies, dominate news broadcasts (confusing consumers) and even influence the food pyramid, which is almost upside down.

I've been on a slow quest to improve health and lose weight. It's really, really slow, far slower than what most people would like. But cutting added sugars to zero (including and most especially high fructose corn syrup) gave almost immediate benefits that kept me going. Sugars (and carbs in general) make you retain a lot of water. Cut those, and you'll see a major difference in the scale in a couple of weeks. Is it mostly water(but not entirely!) Yes. It doesn't matter, our lizard brains interpret that as success. That also reduces hunger, which is a positive feedback loop.

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