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How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by indiebat »

apsec112 wrote: post #22
indiebat wrote: post #17

I don’t want this to come out insensitive or from under the rock, but why is taking a drug a novel & cool idea (all of a sudden/recently) as opposed to good old fashioned working out and not eating more than what you need? okay, this drug is all kinds of great and it’s the next best thing since green grapes, still not eating more and workout is better than taking drugs that effect your brain right? Are doctors requir…

Saying that the cure for obesity is to eat less is like saying that the cure for heroin addiction is to stop using heroin. It's both clearly true, and also useless.

Heroin changes brain chemically, it's (more) serious addiction than obesity, again being a little insensitive to obese people, but they're bad in comparison. And there are degrees of truthfulness & wrongness right!

About the point you're making, two generations before you and me, people where fit, more attentive & generally healthy (outside vaccines that prevent diseases now & positive effects due to advancements in medicine), what changed?

Not as platitude, but go from first principles, the choices you make everyday effects your mind (& the time you spend on particular activities), and if they aren't life affirming (for lack of better words), in due time you limit your options (ie less choices from your mind, bad food or less bad food or multiple bad ways to spend your time?), till you proclaim from high top mountains 'oh god, I'm helpless without acceptance from some higher power!'

This isn't to say, I'll be as preachy and asshole(ish) to a friend or someone I care about in similar need, I'll probably say 'seek medical help etc' like you. But thinking things through & arriving at truth is important, don't you think?

This is different to mental strength or controlling yourself etc, it's more about self reflection & freedom through discipline, respecting your life, decisions & thoughts more than your impulsive emotions in an ever distracting world, that kind of thing..

I don't think I'll change your mind or this will come across in good faith, that's okay, I'm in a reflective mood, and it's awfully chilly outside :-)

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by eastbound »

gcr wrote: post #229
dfxm12 wrote: post #170

Instead of a system that makes these drug available for purchase, I'd rather live in a system that promotes healthy food and active behavior. Unfortunately, I have to drive everywhere, work too many hours to have free time for recreation and have no idea which government subsidy is going to help big ag likely at the expense of my health. All things being equal, I'd prefer to spend less money on prescriptions and have…

If you have an open mind, I'd like to assign you some homework if you like. Take a look around r/zepbound and count the following: 1. Posts from folks who diet+exercise, or who have tried diet/exercise and nothing's worked so they then turned to Zepbound ("excited to hit the gym," "my diet is finally starting to work with Zepbound" and similar) 2. Posts from folks who haven't tried diet/exercise and turned to Zepboun…

I’m not obese, just before (1m75 / 82kg) but I have found self control impossible, except when I do intense sports (like musculation 3-6 times a week). Then only, and this is the magic part, I not only eat less, but also enjoy being more brave, with cold showers, being hungry, going to bed early and other efforts in life.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by vessenes »

robohydrate wrote: post #299

I've been on tirzepatide (Mounjaro) for 4 months now. I'm down 13% of my body weight. I realized that frequent cannabis consumption interferes with the weight loss, so I've kicked the habit from daily to occasionally on weekends. I've started walking 2-3 miles a day, 2-3 days a week regularly, in addition to eating less and being more motivated to calorie count. All this to say, this drug has been life changing for m…

Tirzepatide and Semaglutide are both known to reduce addiction / substance ingestion. I noticed I was just less interested in Alcohol when I started on Wegovy, and didn't realize it's a common effect until much later. I retained most of my disinterest after going off, too, FWIW.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by foobarian »

acabal wrote: post #276
gcr wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you have an open mind, I'd like to assign you some homework if you like. Take a look around r/zepbound and count the following: 1. Posts from folks who diet+exercise, or who have tried diet/exercise and nothing's worked so they then turned to Zepbound ("excited to hit the gym," "my diet is finally starting to work with Zepbound" and similar) 2. Posts from folks who haven't tried diet/exercise and turned to Zepboun…

The more important point the comment you're replying to makes is not "what if people could diet and exercise" - i.e. accept the modern American lifestyle as given, plus force yourself to go to the gym and eat chicken and broccoli - but rather that the modern American lifestyle in fundamentally structured to lead to people being overweight. Instead of being forced to drive everywhere for the most basic possible human…

IMHO price of calories is the only thing that needs to change. All the talk about wholesome locally grown foods vs. processed industrial stuff is just moralizing and posturing, when the metric that matters is the price. Just look at Coke, which is arguably not even a good example because of pre-war price fixing, but still it costs half as much as in 1950 when adjusted for inflation.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by jsrcout »

nextos wrote: post #287
llamaimperative wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GP isn't talking about self-control, they're talking about the fact we've created a system that requires obscene amounts of self-control if you wish to maintain physical health. People in the 50s weren't slimmer because they had ironclad determination to stay such.

Exactly, good systems do not rely on willpower. They rather make obvious habits effortless. Deviating from the mean is hard. Bad food and sedentarism are the norm.

Agree. "Defaults matter".

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Post by philipkglass »

supportengineer wrote: post #260
paulmist wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is a realistic path to this? Being from Europe I visited US last year and was horrified at the quality of your food. You see a lot of documentaries/youtube videos/etc... discussing the problem, but how do you even go about this?

There's plenty of high quality food, you just have to know where to look. For example, come to the Bay Area and check out Whole Foods and any number of high-end restaurants.

That's overkill. There are very marginal health benefits to eating organic watercress vs. eating whatever dark leafy green is currently on sale at the discount supermarket.

The problem isn't that people go to supermarkets and they can't find any healthful ingredients to cook with. The problem is that they go to supermarkets and pass those over in favor of convenience foods that have been optimized for "craveability" [1].

GLP-1 drugs can alter this behavior by reducing food cravings. Someone who's no longer craving the most craveable food can make more objective by-the-numbers buying decisions the next time they go grocery shopping.

[1] https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2015/12/16/459981099/ho...

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by rootusrootus »

jeffbee wrote: post #67
rootusrootus wrote: post #10

I'd think it more likely that it'll be one of the next generation drugs, but I do agree with the premise that it will be really common. A few weeks ago I started a low dose of tirzepatide (aka Mounjaro, aka Zepbound) and the side effects are interesting. The biggest negative, which just takes adjustment, is drastically lower stomach capacity. Used to be that two eggs and two pieces of toast was breakfast. Now I bette…

> Man, the garage is going to be clean and superbly organized in a few weeks.' Manic behaviors also associated with older, popular diet drugs like meth.

I said a few weeks ;-). The garage is pretty big, but not that big. It's going to be gloriously organized in a few weeks because I spend a half hour or so in the evenings to move the project forward. I'm very relaxed about it. I'm just doing exactly what I kept telling myself I should do to make the garage as organized as I want, rather than finding pretty much anything else to do.

Decades ago I tried phentermine for a couple months. Now that was a ride, and you might call the experience closer to manic. I was a machine. This is not like that.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by valval »

gcr wrote: post #281
paulmist wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is a realistic path to this? Being from Europe I visited US last year and was horrified at the quality of your food. You see a lot of documentaries/youtube videos/etc... discussing the problem, but how do you even go about this?

We have good food, but you won't find it on "The Easy Path." The Easy Path is that gentle encouragement to hit up Chipotle for lunch, because it's "right there." The Easy Path says dinner's hard and you've had a long day, so get something simple, like take-out or microwave. The Easy Path is entropy. The Easy Path is self-care over struggle. The Easy Path is simple carbs shown on prominent display in store shelves. Th…

Get ground beef in the supermarket, it’s cheap and takes 7 minutes to cook. If that’s all you eat you can’t be fat and out of shape. You also won’t be hungry.

At some point blaming society isn’t going to cut it.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by lol768 »

> How long til we're all on Ozempic?

It's genuinely quite depressing that so many people in the United States have a weight problem that the overwhelming majority of the population would benefit from this and headlines including "we are all" are not inaccurate.

I don't think other countries are necessarily perfect here, but 74% of Americans don't have a healthy weight when you look at their BMI. That's a staggering statistic. Something is seriously wrong societally, and the priority should absolutely be non-pharmaceutical interventions.

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Post by ninalanyon »

Uehreka wrote: post #271
farceSpherule wrote: post #237

A lot of people fail to realize that eating healthy and exercising is not enough for a lot of people who fight with their weight their entire lives. Ozempic and Wegovy are game changes and have real, tangible health benefits. One person told me, "No matter how much I eat or exercise, I have been 'hungry' my entire life. That ended when I started taking these drugs."

I gained about 50 pounds the past decade and the past year I’ve been trying to lose it. I weighed myself at the beginning: 205 lbs I started running 30 minutes per day (heartrate training targeting about 140-150), every day, for 10 months. I kept my diet the same as before (though with a protein bar after the run). Weighed myself every week or two, always within a couple pounds of 205. In March I ramped up my runs to…

You need to reduce your calorie intake. The exercise isn't enough to have a significant impact.
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