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How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by TeeMassive »

dfxm12 wrote: post #170

Instead of a system that makes these drug available for purchase, I'd rather live in a system that promotes healthy food and active behavior. Unfortunately, I have to drive everywhere, work too many hours to have free time for recreation and have no idea which government subsidy is going to help big ag likely at the expense of my health. All things being equal, I'd prefer to spend less money on prescriptions and have…

I'm glad for RFK Jr. for this reason.

Nobody talked about this in the mainstream conversations in the past.

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Post by logicchains »

k__ wrote: post #120

How are the side effects? I read plastic surgeons said it was bad for your skin and people would look much older when they take it for a few months. Yet, I also read it was generally good for your health, not just in terms of weight loss.

I'm not a fan of the drug but that aging could just be due to the weight loss: skin generally looks more wrinkly (older) after losing weight.

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Post by cl0ckt0wer »

epolanski wrote: post #181
dfxm12 wrote: post #170

Instead of a system that makes these drug available for purchase, I'd rather live in a system that promotes healthy food and active behavior. Unfortunately, I have to drive everywhere, work too many hours to have free time for recreation and have no idea which government subsidy is going to help big ag likely at the expense of my health. All things being equal, I'd prefer to spend less money on prescriptions and have…

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I've struggled with weight loss my entire life. It's gotten to the point where I'm on multiple blood pressure medications, and the dosages are creeping up. And yet I still find myself thinking about eating constantly. Then I took Zepbound. It was revelatory. It was like a curse was lifted, and my hunger was silenced. I'm down 45 lbs in 4 months.

Perhaps if I didn't have responsibilities or trauma or stress or a thousand other things I could put all my energy into self control. Unfortunately, I only get so many years on this planet, so I'm going to keep taking the drug and spend my mental energy on other persuits.

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Post by Eumenes »

indiebat wrote: post #17

I don’t want this to come out insensitive or from under the rock, but why is taking a drug a novel & cool idea (all of a sudden/recently) as opposed to good old fashioned working out and not eating more than what you need? okay, this drug is all kinds of great and it’s the next best thing since green grapes, still not eating more and workout is better than taking drugs that effect your brain right? Are doctors requir…

> why is taking a drug a novel & cool idea

https://www.glamourmagazine.co.uk/article/post-your-pill-tre...

drug companies have spent millions on destigmatizing pharmaceuticals. its a superpower, apparently. a large swath of this userbase convinced themselves they have adhd and need medication for it. changing tabs on your chrome browser or not being able to do "deep work" = i have an uncurable disease and i require legal meth, for life. you can see how this translates to ozempic.

silicon valley/tech culture has prioritized get rich schemes, cure alls like adhd meds, you don't have to eat just drink soylent for every meal, etc. ozempic falls in line nicely there, and i think among this community and others in this vein, you'll see alot of support for it. its sad, because tech/programmers/IT people use to be very contrarian and open minded. you get in trouble for saying things like "personality responsibility", "discipline', "self-control".

> Are doctors required to explain this before prescribing this in US?

doctors famously aren't trained on nutrition or fitness. ironically the prestige is being a specialist, not well rounded. strange.

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Post by epolanski »

haliskerbas wrote: post #194
epolanski wrote: post #181

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As with everything I'm sure there is a spectrum. There are surely folks who have food addictions, there are surely folks who are not taking accountability for their habits, and there are possibly folks for whom this could be the best or safest option.

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Post by wizzwizz4 »

paulcole wrote: post #209
dfxm12 wrote: post #170

Instead of a system that makes these drug available for purchase, I'd rather live in a system that promotes healthy food and active behavior. Unfortunately, I have to drive everywhere, work too many hours to have free time for recreation and have no idea which government subsidy is going to help big ag likely at the expense of my health. All things being equal, I'd prefer to spend less money on prescriptions and have…

This is like saying, "All things being equal, I'd prefer Santa Claus bring presents on Christmas Eve than have to go shopping for my kids." It's like well duh of course you'd prefer the impossibly unrealistic miracle.

Other countries do it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Change4Life

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Post by s5300 »

honkycat wrote: post #109
indiebat wrote: post #17

I don’t want this to come out insensitive or from under the rock, but why is taking a drug a novel & cool idea (all of a sudden/recently) as opposed to good old fashioned working out and not eating more than what you need? okay, this drug is all kinds of great and it’s the next best thing since green grapes, still not eating more and workout is better than taking drugs that effect your brain right? Are doctors requir…

Why doesn't everyone play piano? Why isn't every person a super athlete? Why doesn't everyone meditate 40 minutes a day? Why doesn't everyone study super hard in school and become an engineer or doctor or lawyer? The hard truth: Not everyone is capable of those things. Period. 40% of the US population is considered obese. That is a HUGE number. At a certain point, you can no longer blame individuals. There is somethi…

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Post by breck »

mock-possum wrote: post #127
breck wrote: post #41

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> “Is it bad for my liver to be off most of the time?” It's generally not healthy to keep your major organs in the off state. If you never open your eyes, you go blind. I feel like this is missing the obvious follow up question, “is it bad for my liver to be on most of the time?”

> “is it bad for my liver to be on most of the time?”

That's a good question!

I'm not sure. My guess would be its perfectly healthy (normal actually) to have 10x levels of ketones constantly than an American eating the SAD (Standard American Diet).

Anyone know of long term datasets that have looked at this in animals?

Continuous Ketone Monitors for humans have _just_ come out (AFAIK), so we should know soon.

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Post by vundercind »

andrewmcwatters wrote: post #32
kelseyfrog wrote: post #24

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From my understanding GLP-1 agonists can actually modulate the reward pathway reducing people's appetite for toxic diets. We're not socially caught up yet to this information. I suspect there are folks who believe that regardless of similar outcome (reduction of toxic diet), that changing diet without medication is superior to those who change their behavior through pharmacological intervention. It's like the pre-199…

You can literally do the same thing by eating a healthy diet for 2-4 weeks.

Studies show nothing but high-touch interventions by specialists actually works for losing weight and keeping it off for a study cohort (i.e. might represent a population-level solution).

These are impractically expensive and still less effective than one might expect.

Researchers seem to be eager about the promise of supplementing the very-best programs they’ve been able to find… with GLP-1 agonists. Because that might finally make them really effective.

That’s how bad the entire body of all other solutions we’ve looked at is.

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Post by akira2501 »

poorinterview wrote: post #187
akira2501 wrote: post #161

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> Other people seem instinctively revolted by prescription drugs, seeing toxins pushed by evil corporations. You can advertise drugs on TV in the USA. This certainly opens the door for bad drugs to get pushed out and marketed to people who don't have the technical skills to examine the claims and the risks of side effects objectively. > avoid all medicines other than antibiotics and vaccines Just because it's been su…

Ozempic and similar drugs are being used by many to get rid of the food noise and insatiable hunger that have stood in the way of sustainable progress. These drugs are being used as catalysts for healthy living. The fact that they seem to work thus far is evidence that obesity is on some level driven by powerful hormonal forces that influence impulse control and willpower, which addressed, can give people the freedom…

> These drugs are being used as catalysts for healthy living.

You have some evidence for this claim?

> is evidence that obesity is on some level driven by powerful hormonal forces

It's suggestive. It's nowhere near evidence.

> the freedom to make better decisions

As long as they're on the drug.

> The cosmetic narrative you're pushing is actually quite disgusting.

No it isn't. It's a valid concern about how this medication is _marketed_ and _dispensed_. It's also an obvious concern to have. Pretending that I'm disgusting because I'm actually worried about the future outcomes for these patients is bullying highroad nonsense. Come off of it.

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