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How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by ben_w »

tredre3 wrote: post #36
setgree wrote: post #13

There's some evidence that Ozempic improves general impulse control, e.g decreasing alcohol consumption [0], which the article mentions. Also, as Tyler Cowen writes [1], this is probably going to translate into big improvements for animal welfare: > People lose weight on these drugs because they eat less, and eating less usually means eating less meat. And less meat consumption results in less factory farming. This s…

> big improvements for animal welfare Is it? It might reduce the amount of animals killed, sure, but it won't improve the well-being of the ones that are still raised.

Sounds like you're valuing over ?

I don't get why that would be a better measure?

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by cschneid »

indiebat wrote: post #17

I don’t want this to come out insensitive or from under the rock, but why is taking a drug a novel & cool idea (all of a sudden/recently) as opposed to good old fashioned working out and not eating more than what you need? okay, this drug is all kinds of great and it’s the next best thing since green grapes, still not eating more and workout is better than taking drugs that effect your brain right? Are doctors requir…

In 2021 I lost a good chunk of weight the old fashioned way. From 250ish to 215. I did it with "good old fashioned working out and not eating more". It was a miserable, white-knuckle experience. I was eating healthy food, enough calories (moderate but sane deficit), but the only thing I thought about at all moments was getting to the next meal. What snack is low enough calories to have to make it. It was miserable. As soon as I let up a bit, everything unraveled and I found myself back in the 250s by the start of this year.

Now I'm on Tirzepatide (Zepbound), and I'm back to 235ish, and trending lower. I still work on eating healthy, but now I'm not just HUNGRY at all moments. My life continues, and I only have to make individual healthy choices at meal times, and grocery times, rather than a constant struggle at all waking moments. It's seriously a big difference.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by user395929935 »

setgree wrote: post #13

There's some evidence that Ozempic improves general impulse control, e.g decreasing alcohol consumption [0], which the article mentions. Also, as Tyler Cowen writes [1], this is probably going to translate into big improvements for animal welfare: > People lose weight on these drugs because they eat less, and eating less usually means eating less meat. And less meat consumption results in less factory farming. This s…

Naltrexone will do the same thing. For alcohol, opioid, or binge eating control. Improve T3 and helps with blood sugar, and its orally bioavailable.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by elif »

setgree wrote: post #13

There's some evidence that Ozempic improves general impulse control, e.g decreasing alcohol consumption [0], which the article mentions. Also, as Tyler Cowen writes [1], this is probably going to translate into big improvements for animal welfare: > People lose weight on these drugs because they eat less, and eating less usually means eating less meat. And less meat consumption results in less factory farming. This s…

That sounds speculative and would require some deep research to find if it's even happening.

I think it's equally plausible that the US increases food exports rather than lower production. Especially as production is subsidized.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

amatecha wrote: post #19

This article seems to frame things in such a strange way. Maybe instead of trying to get everyone obesity medication, we can instead educate society so we all understand nutrition and diet and can combat the ever-persistent forces of corporations pushing unhealthy food on us?

Unfortunately companies make more profit by pushing unhealthy food onto consumers which can be evidenced by the money they spend advertising it. They're exploiting our instincts to seek out high calorie foods which was an advantage when humans didn't have a ready supply of food available at all times, but nowadays leads to a whole host of illnesses.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by snarf21 »

rqtwteye wrote: post #4

It's a pretty sad thought that everybody will be on a drug that keeps weight in check while most people will still eat a basically toxic diet. Weight is certainly an important factor but there is more to a healthy life.

Serious question: Why not make toxic diet illegal or cost prohibitive? Lots of manufactured food is designed to be more addictive. Then add in constant advertising bombardment targeted at kids. Why is there up to double the sugar in US bread and soda versus Europe?

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by jeffbee »

rootusrootus wrote: post #10

I'd think it more likely that it'll be one of the next generation drugs, but I do agree with the premise that it will be really common. A few weeks ago I started a low dose of tirzepatide (aka Mounjaro, aka Zepbound) and the side effects are interesting. The biggest negative, which just takes adjustment, is drastically lower stomach capacity. Used to be that two eggs and two pieces of toast was breakfast. Now I bette…

> Man, the garage is going to be clean and superbly organized in a few weeks.'

Manic behaviors also associated with older, popular diet drugs like meth.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by kornork »

setgree wrote: post #13

There's some evidence that Ozempic improves general impulse control, e.g decreasing alcohol consumption [0], which the article mentions. Also, as Tyler Cowen writes [1], this is probably going to translate into big improvements for animal welfare: > People lose weight on these drugs because they eat less, and eating less usually means eating less meat. And less meat consumption results in less factory farming. This s…

I think the assertion that "eating less usually means eating less meat" is probably false (though I couldn't read the article cuz paywall).

The first article talks plenty about why: people are eating less of the the things that are addictive to them, such as alcohol and cookies, which are a major source of calories.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by cyberax »

sss111 wrote: post #6
IncreasePosts wrote: post #3

My biggest fear is either there will be long term negative consequences to Ozempic et al, and a huge swath of the population will be dealing with issues 30 years form now - OR - there will be some long term positive consequence to using Ozempic et al, and I'm not getting any of the benefits because I'm not overweight.

There were several side effects related to pancreatic cancer associated with the precursors to GLP-1 drugs. The same companies promoting GLP-1s were responsible for driving up insulin prices. So I'm hedging my bets. There's a really cool Modern MBA video [1] on this topic btw :) [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sUoZVke_30

> There were several side effects related to pancreatic cancer

In mice.

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