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Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by enragedcacti »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #399
oblio wrote: post #382

You know what screams "democratizate transportation"? 99% single occupancy vehicles (well, that's democratic, I'll grant them that) controlled by a corporation known for a million abuses and basically no oversight, everything managed by faceless software. Let me tell you an Uber story. I've been an Uber customer across multiple countries for many years, and one day, I had a layover in London. So I tried to book an Ub…

Are normal taxis any different? Most of them only have one or two passengers. Typically in the backseat which gets kind of crowded with more people. You can get bigger taxis of course. But I'm talking about the common sedan model with the driver in the front. An unused front seat on the right. And the one or two passengers in the back. Exactly the same thing. Except there's no need for the driver. I don't get the mor…

"Well taxi's only have four seats, and four is basically three, which when you really think about it is only two"

IDK it just seems weird to me how completely unimaginative the Cybertaxi is. Its ostensibly a revolution in transportation but everything about the form and function is essentially identical to an unpainted 2011 Honda CR-Z. It makes zero effort to imagine how a driverless car could be different or better in fundamental ways, which makes the Cybertaxi just another small incremental step in the decade long procession of broken self driving promises from Elon.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by specialist »

lowkey wrote: post #458
wg0 wrote: post #416

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Elon has almost no credibility left for what he says. It's basically just a website at the moment with bunch of 3D renders which you too could get done from a web shop. Tesla has nothing new to offer and competition is catching up, EV adoption slowing down and such. If I had, I would gradually drop Tesla stock because it's going to go downhill if not rock bottom from here.

- I believe he can launch rockets into space and land them on their own footprint. - I believe he can revolutionize auto manufacturing and disrupt a 100 year old industry replacing fossil-fuel burning dinosaurs with clean electric vehicles that outperform them and that appeal to the general public - I believe he can allow quadrapelegics to interact with the world in ways never thought possible - I believe he can, to…

Ya, 3.5 out of 5 ain't bad.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by kibwen »

noch wrote: post #524
panick21_ wrote: post #513

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Same old nonsense story. > What he has done is throw money at people who can. Funny then that countless other space and car startups had far more money and were far less successful. And many of those were far less micromanaged. BlueOrigin for example literally got 100x as much money from its owner as SpaceX did. > But now he has started micromanaging things because he believes he knows best. This is just factually in…

> Same old nonsense story. Most of the passionate (embittered? salty? flavourless?) critiques of Elon always sound like a confession: His critics can't explain why he is successful, why his companies are successful, nor why he is wealthy. When they attempt an explanation, it's less an explanation and more a dismissal: luck, other people, teams, theft, subsidies, corruption, "the system is broken!", a technoaccelerati…

I wonder if Musk fans realize that constantly deflecting all criticism with "you're just jealous, bro" says more about them than about the people they're limply trying to discredit.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by Eddy_Viscosity2 »

Why is this a two-seater? A sedan with no driver can easier fit 5 people. Building one for only two is.. why? There are also no steering controls, this this vehicle can't ever be dual-purpose. Even something where steering/gas could be removable attachments, would be better. Allowing a possibility of being driven by a driver should the need arise.

But really? A two-seater?

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by andsoitis »

dom96 wrote: post #521
ETH_start wrote: post #504

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ElonJet was a live geotracking site for private jets. You can post cisgender, it just comes with a warning. Before, people were being banned for using "him" instead of "her" to describe biological males who self-identified as women. People were secretly de-amplified for criticizing the government policy of lockdowns. It was censorship on a whole different magnitude.

So your response is “it was worse in the past”? Two wrongs don’t make a right. Either you’re a “free speech absolutist” or you’re just a lying charlatan. Elon is clearly the latter, the evidence is right in front of your eyes and you choose to make excuses. ElonJet is posting publicly available information and isn’t banned on other platforms. Something coming with a warning is the same as restricting speech.

> Something coming with a warning is the same as restricting speech.

Placing a warning is generally not considered a restriction on free speech but rather a tool to inform or protect audiences.

In contrast, restricting free speech involves preventing someone from expressing their views or censoring content outright. Warnings are typically seen as a way to balance free expression with the responsibility to inform audiences.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by jillesvangurp »

enragedcacti wrote: post #561
jillesvangurp wrote: post #399

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Are normal taxis any different? Most of them only have one or two passengers. Typically in the backseat which gets kind of crowded with more people. You can get bigger taxis of course. But I'm talking about the common sedan model with the driver in the front. An unused front seat on the right. And the one or two passengers in the back. Exactly the same thing. Except there's no need for the driver. I don't get the mor…

"Well taxi's only have four seats, and four is basically three, which when you really think about it is only two" IDK it just seems weird to me how completely unimaginative the Cybertaxi is. Its ostensibly a revolution in transportation but everything about the form and function is essentially identical to an unpainted 2011 Honda CR-Z. It makes zero effort to imagine how a driverless car could be different or better…

Many taxis shield off the driver; so the front right seat is not available for passengers. That's why I said two. In any case. The vast majority of rides is just one passenger, regardless of the size of the vehicle.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by kmlx »

lawn wrote: post #128
rumblefrog wrote: post #104

Robotaxi & Optumus robot still looks to be years and years away. However, I'm pretty fond of the idea of having distributed compute nodes that performs computations when idle, the idea of reclaiming parking lots, the induction charging and vacuum bots looks pretty sleek as well.

Running compute nodes in cars is honestly an even dumber idea than renting out your own car as a taxi.

> dumber idea than renting out your own car as a taxi.

your car is doing nothing for most of it’s lifetime. renting it out via turo or as a taxi makes sense.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by stetrain »

fabbari wrote: post #424
reissbaker wrote: post #395

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What do you mean by "stupid enough to build it?" It's the best-selling electric truck in terms of shipped units, by a large margin (approximately equal to every other EV truck manufacturer combined, including Ford's electric F-150).

Could you please cite sources on this? Just looking at Rivian [1] they delivered 37,396 units this year alone. Tesla doesn't officially publish numbers, but the Cybertruck recall from few weeks ago tells us around 27,185 total [2]. I know that the July sales were high, over 5172 units [3], but that's a single month. And just to put everything in perspective here: over 13 million trucks were sold in the States in July…

Rivian's delivery numbers include the R1T pickup, the R1S SUV, and their EDV delivery van for Amazon and other fleet customers. The R1T pickup is likely half or less of their total production number.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by stetrain »

lenkite wrote: post #367
DennisL123 wrote: post #242

Classic bait and switch setup. Selling people the future in 2 years time with little to nothing to show for today. Timelines will slip, plans will change, software won‘t be ready, prices will change. And that doesn’t even account for where Waymo is in two years from now, or what the Chinese EV industry is able to pull off until then. Even this underwhelming event was originally announced on short notice to prop up pe…

Tesla Cybertruck was announced as vapourware in 2019 and got limited production only in 2023. It was also delayed. Wonder whether it would have been also considered "bait and switch setup" according to your stance.

Tesla previously announced that all of their cars had the hardware for Level 5 Self-Driving in 2016 and would be capable of driving fully autonomously within 2-3 years.

This isn't just a bait and switch, it's a new bait and switch to redirect from the existing one.

If Tesla wants to make a new announcement about autonomous vehicles now, 8 years after originally announcing that they were already shipping them, it should be that they are actually operating autonomous vehicles in the wild somewhere.

Not showing off a new car design that isn't needed for such a demonstration and that is coming 2-3 years from now.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by spiderfarmer »

linotype wrote: post #374
spiderfarmer wrote: post #331

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Well, apart from tax cuts for the rich he never followed through with anything he said and his voters will never hold him accountable for anything, ever, so you can safely ignore every thing he says.

Abortion is now illegal in dozens of states.

What a legacy. He achieved so much.
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