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Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by horns4lyfe »

dom96 wrote: post #478
lowkey wrote: post #458

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- I believe he can launch rockets into space and land them on their own footprint. - I believe he can revolutionize auto manufacturing and disrupt a 100 year old industry replacing fossil-fuel burning dinosaurs with clean electric vehicles that outperform them and that appeal to the general public - I believe he can allow quadrapelegics to interact with the world in ways never thought possible - I believe he can, to…

You’re a fool tricked by another fool who shouts loudly that they support free speech while they ban speech left and right. For goodness sake, ElonJet was banned and you can’t even say the word “cisgender” on the platform. How delusional are you?

I prefer that to the CIA having a direct line to the top of the platform and free reign to use it for propaganda, yes.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by silexia »

HN is packed now with Elon Musk haters after the mass firings at Twitter. Anything related to him or his companies has long lists of negative comments. Bitter grapes?

Even if Elon cured cancer, there would be haters for his politics and business approach.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by horns4lyfe »

bdjsiqoocwk wrote: post #268
DennisL123 wrote: post #242

Classic bait and switch setup. Selling people the future in 2 years time with little to nothing to show for today. Timelines will slip, plans will change, software won‘t be ready, prices will change. And that doesn’t even account for where Waymo is in two years from now, or what the Chinese EV industry is able to pull off until then. Even this underwhelming event was originally announced on short notice to prop up pe…

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What useful product did Enron ever build?

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by flutas »

gogoincar wrote: post #127
lopkeny12ko wrote: post #93

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It doesn't matter because it's a meaningless statistic. But sure, I'll entertain it. Last figure I heard was 1 disengagement per 200 miles. The distance between SF and LA is 380 miles. If my car can drive me from SF to LA and I only have to intervene once , that's already incredible and leagues ahead of what Waymo can offer. And since you asked, FSD 12.6 will reduce disengagements per mile by 5x.

Since there is nobody in the driver seat of a Waymo to intervene, how does that work?

They stall out blocking traffic (the most recent example was blocking the VPs motorcade).

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by enragedcacti »

panick21_ wrote: post #517
nikcub wrote: post #474

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I agree, but these are moonshot announcements that should sit isolated from the core business. The same thing that Google (ironically) did with X - which led to Waymo, which now already has autonomous taxis[0] You can't keep perpetually hyping tomorrow when the next Q is due. I have an affinity for Tesla since it's named after someone from a village my mums family is from (and who I'm named after), and I like environ…

The question is how much does a Boston Dynamics robot full of complex hydrolics cost vs a Tesla bot that full of electric actuators. Boston Dynamics robots aren't really design to be produced in numbers and are designed for a different use-case.

Boston Dynamics' humanoid robots thus far have been R&D platforms so the cost isn't all that important. That said, they released a quick teaser for the next gen of Atlas which seems to be all electric.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29ECwExc-_M

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by 7thpower »

modeless wrote: post #372
nikcub wrote: post #41

Here's an idea - take the Robocab car design, strip out all the FSD/autopilot stuff, put in a steering wheel and dash and sell it starting at the end of the year for ~$25k. It would sell +++

It has no rear window and wacky doors and only two seats. It would not sell. It's purpose built as an autonomous taxi, where those choices make perfect sense. They are also doing a $25k car, they just aren't revealing it today.

I thought they said they were scrapping the $25k car?

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by [deleted] »

lenkite wrote: post #367
DennisL123 wrote: post #242

Classic bait and switch setup. Selling people the future in 2 years time with little to nothing to show for today. Timelines will slip, plans will change, software won‘t be ready, prices will change. And that doesn’t even account for where Waymo is in two years from now, or what the Chinese EV industry is able to pull off until then. Even this underwhelming event was originally announced on short notice to prop up pe…

Tesla Cybertruck was announced as vapourware in 2019 and got limited production only in 2023. It was also delayed. Wonder whether it would have been also considered "bait and switch setup" according to your stance.

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Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by Fricken »

ETH_start wrote: post #503
porbelm wrote: post #472

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If you can't recognize his contributions I think you're too emotionally attached to the question.

Any day now a Tesla Semi truck will stop by to deliver my solar shingles. I can then use them to charge my Tesla robotaxi. My Robotaxi will ferry people around when I'm not using it and pay for itself in under 2 years. Then I can start saving for my ticket to Mars, where I'll be safe from the woke mind virus that is consuming everyone here on earth.

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Post by fragmede »

horns4lyfe wrote: post #550
forgot-im-old wrote: post #471

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You honestly believe that DARPA would have given us the Tesla model Y?

It's possible that Tesla, which Musk didn't found, would have given us an EV by another name. Rivan also got us an electric truck before the cybertruck came out. Fisker's not doing so well though.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by specialist »

ben_w wrote: post #491
lowkey wrote: post #458

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- I believe he can launch rockets into space and land them on their own footprint. - I believe he can revolutionize auto manufacturing and disrupt a 100 year old industry replacing fossil-fuel burning dinosaurs with clean electric vehicles that outperform them and that appeal to the general public - I believe he can allow quadrapelegics to interact with the world in ways never thought possible - I believe he can, to…

Mostly I agree, modulo "he knows how to make teams to do XYZ", which I'm happy to count for the same reason I'm happy to blame him personally when those teams he's ordering around do something I don't like: > I believe he can, to a great degree, restore free speech on social media even if it is messy and imperfect at times I strongly disagree with this. Even if I ignore the proxy of all the investors writing off thei…

Yes and:

I'd like someone, eg Musk, to define "free speech". Start with some of those "first principles" he likes so much.

Then, per "theory vs reality" cliché, I'd like someone, eg Musk, to explain or demonstrate or larp or interpretative dance what "free speech" looks like in practice. Maybe even point to an existing example.

For bonus credit:

- explain relationship between "free speech" and news feeds (algorithmic hate machines)

- explain operation of "free speech" multinationally

- explain how to balance "free speech" and moderation

- enumerate the tradeoffs of, downsides due to, and consequences of "free speech"

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