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Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by acchow »

wg0 wrote: post #416
DennisL123 wrote: post #242

Classic bait and switch setup. Selling people the future in 2 years time with little to nothing to show for today. Timelines will slip, plans will change, software won‘t be ready, prices will change. And that doesn’t even account for where Waymo is in two years from now, or what the Chinese EV industry is able to pull off until then. Even this underwhelming event was originally announced on short notice to prop up pe…

Elon has almost no credibility left for what he says. It's basically just a website at the moment with bunch of 3D renders which you too could get done from a web shop. Tesla has nothing new to offer and competition is catching up, EV adoption slowing down and such. If I had, I would gradually drop Tesla stock because it's going to go downhill if not rock bottom from here.

> It's basically just a website at the moment with bunch of 3D renders which you too could get done from a web shop.

They had 2 dozen vehicles with no steering wheels taking attendees around the venue. The bar was staffed by Optimus robots. “Basically a website”?

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

karel-3d wrote: post #378
bryanrasmussen wrote: post #371

Earlier quoted context omitted.

can multiple operators from India operate the robotaxis or does it need one on one operation? I mean consider the savings!

The latency will kill you. Both figuratively and literally. Maybe something like Mexico would be better.

>The latency will kill you.

I mean - I wasn't thinking I would risk it!!

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by huijzer »

DennisL123 wrote: post #242

Classic bait and switch setup. Selling people the future in 2 years time with little to nothing to show for today. Timelines will slip, plans will change, software won‘t be ready, prices will change. And that doesn’t even account for where Waymo is in two years from now, or what the Chinese EV industry is able to pull off until then. Even this underwhelming event was originally announced on short notice to prop up pe…

> with little to nothing to show for today

Although they didn't "show" it on the event, Tesla self-driving is steadily improving each month. It is now also available on the Cybertruck, and the miles per intervention metric is steadily improving. You can find many videos on YouTube. Note that this are real cars on the real road.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by fabbari »

reissbaker wrote: post #395
haspok wrote: post #387

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In the case of the Cybertruck, it was never a question whether it is even possible to do such a thing, because they had all the technology, the only question was if they were stupid enough to build it. Just as in the case of the "Hyperloop": in theory, it is perfectly possible, but anyone who got as far to build a few meters of it (or something resembling it) quickly realized the practicality problems, and what would…

What do you mean by "stupid enough to build it?" It's the best-selling electric truck in terms of shipped units, by a large margin (approximately equal to every other EV truck manufacturer combined, including Ford's electric F-150).

Could you please cite sources on this? Just looking at Rivian [1] they delivered 37,396 units this year alone. Tesla doesn't officially publish numbers, but the Cybertruck recall from few weeks ago tells us around 27,185 total [2]. I know that the July sales were high, over 5172 units [3], but that's a single month. And just to put everything in perspective here: over 13 million trucks were sold in the States in July alone [4].

[1] https://electrek.co/2024/10/08/why-rivian-rivn-cutting-ev-pr... [2] https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2024/RCLRPT-24V718-2751.PDF [3] https://www.forbes.com/sites/brookecrothers/2024/09/22/cyber... [4] https://press.spglobal.com/2024-07-24-S-P-Global-Mobility-Ju...

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by m463 »

odysseus wrote: post #279
m463 wrote: post #231

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without a spare tire, every flat I've gotten is a giant unplanned waste of time (min was 4 hours)

Last flat I had, there was a giant Allen wrench stuck in the tire and it was rapidly leaking. Filled it back up as much as I could with the included inflator kit, took it a big box store, they patched it up and was on my way. Took maybe an hour total out of my day? No $ cost to me (under tire warranty)

Teslas don't come with an inflator. sigh.

(and if you get one + slime stuff, you will kill the TPMS and have to buy a new one)

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by IshKebab »

fragmede wrote: post #400
aaronblohowiak wrote: post #368

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can I get a lidar for 1k like the cars use?

You're going to have to be more specific with your necessary specs, there are $100 360° hobbyist LIDAR sensors on Amazon.

No there aren't. Those use triangulation. LIDAR is time-of-flight. They also only scan a single rotating point which is only sufficient for simple robots like vacuum cleaners.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by IshKebab »

pr337h4m wrote: post #330
fshbbdssbbgdd wrote: post #266

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The idea that Tesla would win the robotaxi race by not needing LiDAR died sometime between when LiDAR cost $100k and when it cost $1k. Now it’s just Elon being intransigent.

Humans don’t use lidar, which clearly shows that a vision-only robotaxi is very much feasible.

You mean "very much theoretically possible".

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by nikcub »

modeless wrote: post #372
nikcub wrote: post #41

Here's an idea - take the Robocab car design, strip out all the FSD/autopilot stuff, put in a steering wheel and dash and sell it starting at the end of the year for ~$25k. It would sell +++

It has no rear window and wacky doors and only two seats. It would not sell. It's purpose built as an autonomous taxi, where those choices make perfect sense. They are also doing a $25k car, they just aren't revealing it today.

This is why I want a pragmatic operational industry expert CEO[0] for Tesla, in the same way Shotwell is for SpaceX.

Announce and do the far stuff, but at the same time ship the near things that people want.

A pragmatic auto CEO would have had that $25k car moving already. A pragmatic industry CEO also wouldn't have such a large event without a call-to-action.

If they had a "reserve now for Feb 2025 delivery" button under todays announcement it would have gone offff

[0] edit: ok Gwynne is COO - let Elon keep the title, but we know what matters.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by natch »

kombookcha wrote: post #195
sandspar wrote: post #126

Why are the comments on this topic so consistently low quality? It's not even cynicism. It's just snark. It seems like most commenters aren't addressing the topic but rather are venting about their feelings.

This dude has lied about robotaxis for a full 11 years. Think about where you were in life 11 years ago. Each time he's done this, it's been brought up in here with steadily decreasing enthusiasm. What reason would anybody have to engage seriously with this until an actual product has shipped?

Technology will be ready when it's ready. There's a strong sense of entitlement and resentment in some when it's not ready when expected. "Lie" is a stretch and frankly it's not necessary to stoop down to that level. It's enough to say he's been overoptimistic and mistaken, like any human.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by luma »

rib3ye wrote: post #360
davedx wrote: post #320

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That's not entirely true. Waymo have remote control operators, these would have the same - you don't need 100% foolproof autonomy to operate a fleet of cars like this. I am also highly sceptical of everything about Tesla's program though

You're going to buy a personal car that can be remoted into at any time?

These are robotaxis, not personal cars.
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