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Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by TheAlchemist »

oblio wrote: post #385
TheAlchemist wrote: post #380

It's important to remember when this event was announced. It was announced in April, when stock was plunging following a Reuters report that a cheap Model 2 was cancelled. Musk called them liars and announced on the spot the event that we witnessed today (which was postponed from the initial 8/8 date...). That's what fraud looks like folks.

Was there an event, too? Any videos?

There are plenty yes. Here is a Reuters article:

https://www.reuters.com/technology/teslas-musk-unveil-robota...

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Post by narrator »

malermeister wrote: post #355
ninjin wrote: post #342

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just days after Musk appeared and spoke strongly in favour of him at a Trump rally in Butler, Pennsylvania [1]. These are interesting times and people make very strange bed follows. [1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/07/style/elon-musk-donald-tr... Then again, can we trust a word the man is saying? It all feels like shallow pandering. Plus, it may be worth going through the entire event at the Detroit Economic Club…

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Reading any HN thread connected to Musk is so annoying because all the political obsessives come out and crapflood the thread with rants about "manbabies."

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Post by hiddencost »

remarkEon wrote: post #265

This is all well and good, but it's not possible to deploy these kinds of technologies at scale in American cities (well, most American cities). They'll get torn to bits. The ability to actually move to an autonomous transportation future is downstream from citizens actually behaving in a way that allows this. Harsh, but true. Maybe in Singapore.

Waymo is doing 100k paid trips a week in 4 cities.

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Post by reissbaker »

haspok wrote: post #387
lenkite wrote: post #367

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Tesla Cybertruck was announced as vapourware in 2019 and got limited production only in 2023. It was also delayed. Wonder whether it would have been also considered "bait and switch setup" according to your stance.

In the case of the Cybertruck, it was never a question whether it is even possible to do such a thing, because they had all the technology, the only question was if they were stupid enough to build it. Just as in the case of the "Hyperloop": in theory, it is perfectly possible, but anyone who got as far to build a few meters of it (or something resembling it) quickly realized the practicality problems, and what would…

What do you mean by "stupid enough to build it?" It's the best-selling electric truck in terms of shipped units, by a large margin (approximately equal to every other EV truck manufacturer combined, including Ford's electric F-150).

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Post by oblio »

wilg wrote: post #219
binoct wrote: post #186

They claim that unsupervised autonomy in existing cars will arrive in California and Texas next year (with an easy bogieman that it will depend on regulatory approval), but no details as to what exactly this would mean. It’s possible that they might be able to get an Level 3 product out similar to offerings by the likes of Daimler, Cadillac, and Ford - where on certain highways under certain conditions you don’t have…

Ford and Cadillac have Level 2 systems, not Level 3. Tesla also has Level 2, but it is significantly more capable. (I don't think any of the others work on city streets at all, or even change lanes automatically based on navigation.) Mercedes is so limited to just technically qualify for Level 3 that it could be likely be trivially outmatched by some limited FSD conditions if that's the route Tesla wanted to go. But…

https://www.arenaev.com/mercedesbenz_drive_pilot_now_works_a...

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Post by ben_w »

BoorishBears wrote: post #338
pr337h4m wrote: post #330

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Humans don’t use lidar, which clearly shows that a vision-only robotaxi is very much feasible.

I can't tell if this is satire, or if replicating 6 million years of evolution has legitimately become handwave material for Elon's supporters...

I don't know if you've tried this recently, but take a photo of something on your phone and put it into an AI.

There may even be an AI built into your photo library app.

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Post by jillesvangurp »

oblio wrote: post #382

You know what screams "democratizate transportation"? 99% single occupancy vehicles (well, that's democratic, I'll grant them that) controlled by a corporation known for a million abuses and basically no oversight, everything managed by faceless software. Let me tell you an Uber story. I've been an Uber customer across multiple countries for many years, and one day, I had a layover in London. So I tried to book an Ub…

Are normal taxis any different? Most of them only have one or two passengers. Typically in the backseat which gets kind of crowded with more people. You can get bigger taxis of course. But I'm talking about the common sedan model with the driver in the front. An unused front seat on the right. And the one or two passengers in the back. Exactly the same thing. Except there's no need for the driver.

I don't get the moral outrage here. It's taxi with one person less (the driver). Also available as a model 3 and y. And the robovan thing. So they do actually cover a range of vehicles with different amounts of passengers.

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Post by fragmede »

aaronblohowiak wrote: post #368
fshbbdssbbgdd wrote: post #266

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The idea that Tesla would win the robotaxi race by not needing LiDAR died sometime between when LiDAR cost $100k and when it cost $1k. Now it’s just Elon being intransigent.

can I get a lidar for 1k like the cars use?

You're going to have to be more specific with your necessary specs, there are $100 360° hobbyist LIDAR sensors on Amazon.
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