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Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by rob74 »

strulovich wrote: post #31
wilsonnb3 wrote: post #15

Anybody know why the autonomous taxi isn't just a model 3? I don't see the point in a purpose built two seater with no steering wheel or pedals and I don't know why regulators would approve an autonomous car with no way to manually override it.

Barring all the issues, if you did build a huge fleet of autonomous taxis - smaller, lighter cars with less moving pieces would save you a lot of money. 2 seater - smaller car No wheels or stuff - saves money on the build and parts.

Mark my words: the "final form" of robotaxis will seat 4 (up to 6 in a pinch) people on facing seats, will be able to drive in both directions and have all 4 wheels fully steerable for more flexibility.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by forgot-im-old »

nolok wrote: post #347
forgot-im-old wrote: post #309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The statements are hyperlinked to sources in the comments. You can read those. What in particular are you disputing?

The source are talk and wish dreams and nothing more. Elon said a anti missile shield called SHIELD would be cool (nooo, Elon had another random idea from someone who doesn't know the field but has enough pr clout to make it published?), and Elon used to work or at least be in the same building as a general when he visits for a company that do space launch and is critical to US infrastructure needs (noo? you don't sa…

You really don't know what you're talking about. That "visiting 4 Star General" now reports full time to Elon, as the WSJ determined via numerous sources.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by tobr »

spiderfarmer wrote: post #331
davedx wrote: post #314

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also: > “The autonomous vehicles, we’re going to stop from operating on American roads, remember this,” Trump said.

Well, apart from tax cuts for the rich he never followed through with anything he said and his voters will never hold him accountable for anything, ever, so you can safely ignore every thing he says.

“Can’t trust anything” is not the same as “can safely ignore everything”. There’s nothing safe about it.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by malermeister »

ninjin wrote: post #342
davedx wrote: post #314

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also: > “The autonomous vehicles, we’re going to stop from operating on American roads, remember this,” Trump said.

Just days after Musk appeared and spoke strongly in favour of him at a Trump rally in Butler, Pennsylvania [1]. These are interesting times and people make very strange bed follows. [1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/07/style/elon-musk-donald-tr... Then again, can we trust a word the man is saying? It all feels like shallow pandering. Plus, it may be worth going through the entire event at the Detroit Economic Club…

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Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by watwut »

davedx wrote: post #314
DennisL123 wrote: post #242

Classic bait and switch setup. Selling people the future in 2 years time with little to nothing to show for today. Timelines will slip, plans will change, software won‘t be ready, prices will change. And that doesn’t even account for where Waymo is in two years from now, or what the Chinese EV industry is able to pull off until then. Even this underwhelming event was originally announced on short notice to prop up pe…

Also: > “The autonomous vehicles, we’re going to stop from operating on American roads, remember this,” Trump said.

He is going to say exact opposite in a month and flip again and again until he does whatever random thing will ensure him random thing he wants in the moment.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by maguay »

Animats wrote: post #107
maguay wrote: post #42

The Robovan—as an actual van one could buy today—would sell. Especially in Asia, versus Toyota Alphards. Alas, seems it's more likely to get used as point-to-point transit inside closed spaces (parks and convention centers and ... perhaps the Vegas Loop).

> The Robovan — as an actual van one could buy today—would sell. One would think so. But slow self-driving mini-buses seem to be a niche item. San Francisco's Treasure Island had one from Beep for part of 2023 and early 2024. Las Vegas had one back in 2017, from Nayva. Local Motors had some, but is defunct. There are a few from WeRide on an island in Guangzhou. EasyMile has a few installations. This kind of self driv…

Fair. I was actually imagining a Robovan crossed with a Model Y, with a legit steering wheel (and, sure, standard FSD), to compete with premium mini-vans.

But to your point, the value for the Robovan is minuscular unless it's as far-ranging as any other vehicle. And even if the FSD tech and regulations are there for it, the actual vehicle—at least the wheelbase and body covering said wheels—will need to be rethought for real-world conditions.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by rib3ye »

davedx wrote: post #320
marsten wrote: post #172

The most interesting thing to me by far was the lack of a steering wheel on the Robocab. Without manual controls, vague promises ("puffery"?) about autonomy won't drive vehicle sales as they do today across all Tesla's models. The Robocab as shown literally cannot function (or make a dime of revenue) until they've fully solved autonomy and have convinced regulators of the same.

That's not entirely true. Waymo have remote control operators, these would have the same - you don't need 100% foolproof autonomy to operate a fleet of cars like this. I am also highly sceptical of everything about Tesla's program though

You're going to buy a personal car that can be remoted into at any time?
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