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Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by ben_w »

lenkite wrote: post #367
DennisL123 wrote: post #242

Classic bait and switch setup. Selling people the future in 2 years time with little to nothing to show for today. Timelines will slip, plans will change, software won‘t be ready, prices will change. And that doesn’t even account for where Waymo is in two years from now, or what the Chinese EV industry is able to pull off until then. Even this underwhelming event was originally announced on short notice to prop up pe…

Tesla Cybertruck was announced as vapourware in 2019 and got limited production only in 2023. It was also delayed. Wonder whether it would have been also considered "bait and switch setup" according to your stance.

Wasn't it also released at a significantly higher price than announced?

"""In 2019, Musk claimed that the Cybertruck would be available in late 2021, starting at $39,900. The date was later pushed to 2022, and eventually it was pushed to late 2023, with a starting price of $60,990.""" - according to the Wikipedia page.

I'd definitely count that as bait and switch from the price change alone.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by oblio »

You know what screams "democratizate transportation"?

99% single occupancy vehicles (well, that's democratic, I'll grant them that) controlled by a corporation known for a million abuses and basically no oversight, everything managed by faceless software.

Let me tell you an Uber story.

I've been an Uber customer across multiple countries for many years, and one day, I had a layover in London. So I tried to book an Uber in London, but it failed a few times for technical reasons (so their problem).

After a bunch of attempts, I received a notification my account was banned.

I contacted support, they gave me the runaround for 30 minutes or more, in the end their response was the standard BigCorp canned answer for fraud: "we can't tell you why your actions are suspicious" (with the subtext: if you're an innocent victim of our scans, tough luck, but we can't tell you because statistically if we tell you what you did wrong, real fraudsters will learn and defraud us even more).

So now I can't use Uber in the UK (I imagine if I try to circumvent the ban with another account, I risk that getting banned, too, and who knows what else, as I have to put my credit card in their app).

Now imagine if you want to plan your life around stuff like Tesla Robotaxi and they ban you. What's your recourse?

With your own motorbike/car, you need to commit serious crimes to lose your license forever. With public transportation, as long as you pay the ticket, nobody can ban you for life. And I don't think anyone can take away your bike/ebike/scooter/escooter :-)

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by svantana »

pr337h4m wrote: post #330
fshbbdssbbgdd wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The idea that Tesla would win the robotaxi race by not needing LiDAR died sometime between when LiDAR cost $100k and when it cost $1k. Now it’s just Elon being intransigent.

Humans don’t use lidar, which clearly shows that a vision-only robotaxi is very much feasible.

That same argument can be used for all companies to fire all their employees. They are all human after all. Just implement all the needed features in hardware and software, done.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by drewcoo »

linotype wrote: post #374
spiderfarmer wrote: post #331

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, apart from tax cuts for the rich he never followed through with anything he said and his voters will never hold him accountable for anything, ever, so you can safely ignore every thing he says.

Abortion is now illegal in dozens of states.

13 states

https://www.plannedparenthoodaction.org/abortion-access-tool...

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by oblio »

TheAlchemist wrote: post #380

It's important to remember when this event was announced. It was announced in April, when stock was plunging following a Reuters report that a cheap Model 2 was cancelled. Musk called them liars and announced on the spot the event that we witnessed today (which was postponed from the initial 8/8 date...). That's what fraud looks like folks.

Was there an event, too? Any videos?

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by ben_w »

linotype wrote: post #374
spiderfarmer wrote: post #331

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, apart from tax cuts for the rich he never followed through with anything he said and his voters will never hold him accountable for anything, ever, so you can safely ignore every thing he says.

Abortion is now illegal in dozens of states.

Wasn't that due to the supreme court deciding it wasn't up to the federal government?

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by haspok »

lenkite wrote: post #367
DennisL123 wrote: post #242

Classic bait and switch setup. Selling people the future in 2 years time with little to nothing to show for today. Timelines will slip, plans will change, software won‘t be ready, prices will change. And that doesn’t even account for where Waymo is in two years from now, or what the Chinese EV industry is able to pull off until then. Even this underwhelming event was originally announced on short notice to prop up pe…

Tesla Cybertruck was announced as vapourware in 2019 and got limited production only in 2023. It was also delayed. Wonder whether it would have been also considered "bait and switch setup" according to your stance.

In the case of the Cybertruck, it was never a question whether it is even possible to do such a thing, because they had all the technology, the only question was if they were stupid enough to build it.

Just as in the case of the "Hyperloop": in theory, it is perfectly possible, but anyone who got as far to build a few meters of it (or something resembling it) quickly realized the practicality problems, and what would happen if you scaled those problems to a few hundred kilometers...

On the other hand, autonomous driving is not a solved problem, not even in theory. One could argue that it would require some sort of a generic AI, which we don't have, and nobody knows if we will in the future. So selling anything based on that is simply fraud, in my opinion.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by varjag »

karel-3d wrote: post #378
bryanrasmussen wrote: post #371

Earlier quoted context omitted.

can multiple operators from India operate the robotaxis or does it need one on one operation? I mean consider the savings!

The latency will kill you. Both figuratively and literally. Maybe something like Mexico would be better.

Latency? That's when Starlink comes into play!

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by fragmede »

pr337h4m wrote: post #330
fshbbdssbbgdd wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The idea that Tesla would win the robotaxi race by not needing LiDAR died sometime between when LiDAR cost $100k and when it cost $1k. Now it’s just Elon being intransigent.

Humans don’t use lidar, which clearly shows that a vision-only robotaxi is very much feasible.

feasible? I want the thing to drive better than me, especially in the rain, fog, and the dark!
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